US Presidential Elections thread - the fate of the world to be decided (3 Viewers)

[Enron]

I for one cannot wait to have a President who admittedly knows zilch about the economy and openly uses racial slurs in interviews. Add on to that a glorified hockey mom whose tuna noodle caserole is what is looked at to smooth over grandpa's rantings....

 

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[Martin]

i've already explained throughout this thread. its fruitless to restate any of my posts.

I thought you were saying that this election shouldn't be a moral question for Americans in terms of their country's effect on the world.

but whats most interesting about all this is that you and everyone else have given me reasons to not vote for McCain which is fine but no one but greg has given me a reason to vote for Obama.

and once again i remind you that i don't plan on voting for either. especially not McCain.

Well, why do you think that is? Did I grow up with Obama? Do I know him? No, all I know is that he's a new guy, which is a very good thing, because it means he probably isn't as corrupt as all the others. Furthermore, he's educated and intelligent. And as for this "experience" crap, it's not him crafting the policies anyway, a president has several shipping containers worth of advisers who just whisper various alternatives in his ear and he gets to choose just like a phone in tv show. So it's a lot more important it to be someone with integrity and a functioning moral compass than someone who's "experienced" whatever the hell that means.

In short (as if lol), yes I have my doubts about Obama. And I'm reduced to hope. But he's doing the right things (for the most part, and as far as the current political climate permits) while the others are not. And his campaign isn't run by lobbyists. He isn't Edwards who was very anti-establishment (and therefore I loved him), but I have a quiet hope that if Obama gets into a position of power, he will take a stand against the corporate lobby that is destroying everything. (Btw I don't love Biden, his policies on the internet reveal that he's a dinosaur.)

The alternative, on the other hand, is not a matter of doubt, it's a matter of certainty. McCain is unacceptable in every possible way. Palin even more so.

 

[Martin]

By the way, Dru. I know I get a little unhinged around these discussions. The old admin me would be a little concerned about this poster who seems to be flirting with trouble. So I'm sorry if I offended you.

That's probably the reason Vinman has stopped talking to me.

 

[Enron]

Obama did speak out against the war in Iraq before it was the cool thing to do. His choices in life after his graduation from Harvard law speak for themselves. Who becomes the first black editor of the Harvard law review and graduates with honors only to go to inner city Chicago to help poor people? His work in Chicago more than shows he has the ability to run this country. Not only for big business and corporations but for the common man as well. Republicans laugh off his early efforts by saying that has no real responsibility. What do they know? How many of them have given back to there country like Obama has? McCain kind of. When I hear John McCain ridiculing domestic service to one's country I just want to slap him in the face. People who work doing what Obama did in his early days are what makes America great. Think of it. Unions, women's suffrage, civil rights, and tons of other achievements gained not because of Washington politicians, but because of organizers who knew what the people needed. Obama is of that breed. People want reasons to vote for Obama, and the truth is there are too many to count. If you want to see for yourself, go compare websites. McCain gives the traditional election answers, vague and broad. Obama on the other hand has PDFs intricately outlining his policies. His funds are totally privately gained, not from lobbyists or corporations, but generally from $5 or $10 at a time donations from his millions of supporters. Who in the last century can claim that? Obama was in the Senate for two years... so he didn't really have a chance to do much. But who can do much in two years? Truth is Obama didn't do anything wrong and you can't say that about the Republicans. Obama has a wife who speaks out and doesn't just sit around with some dumb look on her face. Sure she criticized our policies and procedures, but who's to say that isn't needed. Thomas Jefferson once said "A revolution ever 25 years would be in the best interests of democracy". In order to progress as a nation and not get lost in the land of stagnation we must continue to change as must our policies and leaders. Obama loves the US and knows it is a great country. But at the same time he realizes that the US needs work. He and Mr. Jefferson are correct. In order to become great once again out policies and attitude must change. Obama is the only candidate who will do that. McCain thinks we're fine. Remember boys and girls... "Our fundamentals are solid". And 90% doesn't lie.

 

[.zero]

No, all I know is that he's a new guy, which is a very good thing, because it means he probably isn't as corrupt as all the others.

where is that written as fact?

 

[Martin]

where is that written as fact?

McCain's campaign is run by lobbyists, as Andy said. Ditto Hillary. Obama's is not (see Enron's post).

 

[swag]

I for one cannot wait to have a President who admittedly knows zilch about the economy and openly uses racial slurs in interviews. Add on to that a glorified hockey mom whose tuna noodle caserole is what is looked at to smooth over grandpa's rantings....

I think you've devised a new pilot for NBC TV.

 

[Vinman]

I'll tell you what, if I had a vote in this I would like to vote for Vinman.

Thank you....would you help me run my campaign ??!!

Last I heard McCain's tax plan will raise your taxes and lower taxes for the richest 1%. Obama's plan was the opposite.

anyone making over $40,000 per year is getting hit with that tax

and he is also going to put higher taxes on companies.... now let me ask you, if companies dont want to lose their profits, but are taxed higher, than who is really going to make up the difference ?? The consumer will end up flipping the bill

So what? You always seem to link high taxes to a bad life. I get it, you don't like socialism. What's important is what you get for those taxes.

PLEASE tell me what I'm getting that so much better than other states that have much lower taxes ?

We have more people on welfare and medicaid in this state than any other state in the union, and many of these ppl are capable of getting jobs and providing for themselves but dont, because they dont have to in New York state

Stop entering our airspace with your drones and bombing people!

we're doing the job that you refuse to do

maybe the taxes are high cuz of the freakin' war
all over the world the prices are going up, I really doubt it has anything to do with a republican or democrat in the office

bullshit !! The taxes in this state have always been high, and the liberals have always been in charge

But this is like having my daughter killed in a drive by shooting. So I send my son over to the house of some gang of thieves who are totally unrelated to the drive by, but I convince him and my family members that they are related -- even though I have every bit of information that they're not. And then my son gets killed shooting up these thieves. How is that not outrageous?

we dont need to go down this road again. The whole world believed the intelligence that us and Britain had, and it pointed to Saddam having WMD's

rest assured, if he did have them, he had PLENTY of time to get them out while we pussy-footed around with the UN

By the way, Dru. I know I get a little unhinged around these discussions. The old admin me would be a little concerned about this poster who seems to be flirting with trouble. So I'm sorry if I offended you.

That's probably the reason Vinman has stopped talking to me.

nonsense...I love you man !!

 

[Bjerknes]

McCain's campaign is run by lobbyists, as Andy said. Ditto Hillary. Obama's is not (see Enron's post).

Indeed.

Martin, I thought you gave up all hope on us as you stated a couple months ago to Vinni. You're still trying to help the cause I see.

However, I read on Facebook that our buddy Erik actually is calling for all Europeans to support McCain because it would improve their economic situation, merely because the Repubs will not crack down on free trade and probably won't do much to fix the problems that already exist within US financials. He does have a point.

But then I think, what if a major war breaks out due to McCain's shoot first, ask questions later policy? Surely that would be much more disasters to all of us if that would happen.

So Erik, buddy, what are ya thinkin'? :confused2

 

[Martin]

Thank you....would you help me run my campaign ??!!

I'm sure that would be a blast, but I don't think you want me to do it, I don't know anything about that stuff

anyone making over $40,000 per year is getting hit with that tax

and he is also going to put higher taxes on companies.... now let me ask you, if companies dont want to lose their profits, but are taxed higher, than who is really going to make up the difference ?? The consumer will end up flipping the bill

There are some companies turning record profits at the moment (oil companies come to mind, I bet arms dealers aren't suffering either), I think they can afford it. And companies don't set their prices based on taxes, they charge as much as they possibly can. So if they were going to hike up the price on you they already would have (did).

nonsense...I love you man !!

Is that a fact?

 

[Bjerknes]

I for one cannot wait to have a President who admittedly knows zilch about the economy and openly uses racial slurs in interviews. Add on to that a glorified hockey mom whose tuna noodle caserole is what is looked at to smooth over grandpa's rantings....

... over dinner with the whole family including the pregnant daughter while they throw out insults to the common folk who don't wait for marriage...

 

[Martin]

Indeed.

Martin, I thought you gave up all hope on us as you stated a couple months ago to Vinni. You're still trying to help the cause I see.

Like an animal that keeps coming at an electric fence, never learning from its mistakes.

I guess I just like the idea of living in a society that works and people are treated well. It's what we had here on juventuz, so the pilot project was a success :scarf:

And you know what else? Even though there is a chasm of political values between our continents, we still get each other really well on all other topics, so it's tempting to have that dialog.

However, I read on Facebook that our buddy Erik actually is calling for all Europeans to support McCain because it would improve their economic situation, merely because the Repubs will not crack down on free trade and probably won't do much to fix the problems that already exist within US financials. He does have a point.

But then I think, what if a major war breaks out due to McCain's shoot first, ask questions later policy? Surely that would be much more disasters to all of us if that would happen.

So Erik, buddy, what are ya thinkin'? :confused2

He's become like me, sad and depressed at the state of the world. Just more jaded. I still argue for the common good, he gets these impulses of tunnel vision, sometimes I wonder if it's a joke or not.

 

[Bjerknes]

I hear ya, Martin. But I don't think Erik was joking around. He made a whole long post about it!

It would be interesting if he was still here and argued the same point for McCain, saying, "screw you America !!" That would make the debate pretty interesting.

 

[Martin]

Btw what are you eating?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7623771.stm

 

[Bjerknes]

Btw what are you eating?

My iPod.

 

[swag]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7623771.stm

Score points for Hagel. He ain't speaking out of his Panucci hole.

 

[Bjerknes]

Score points for Hagel. He ain't speaking out of his Panucci hole.

He's just mad that Palin doesn't have the strength to hog-tie a "Ni..."



African American.

 

[swag]

She ain't running for the Gook Party either I hear.

 

[Bjerknes]

I can't believe that's not all over the news. Sure, we were at war, but racially abusing an entire people just because of a few military men is entirely unacceptable for a fucking President. Disgusting motherfucker he is.