US Presidential Elections 2012 (21 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

What part of my post are you talking about? If it's not possible to choose the lesser of two evils in this case, what's the alternative for you? To not vote at all? What is it going to change and in what way would it be beneficial? One of the two evils will be elected regardless of your participation. If that's your stance, well it's exactly what is wrong with my nation. And since what's wrong with my nation is more critical than what's wrong with your nation, I win.

Unless you clearly know what would have happened if McCain had been elected which I'm really interested to know how.

The whole "lesser of two evils" bit is exactly why nobody should vote for an establishment party. It confirms that both parties are indeed "evil". At the end of the day, both the Democrats and Republicans perform felatio on their big money owners; or in other words, those who couldn't give a rat's ass about this nation. US banksters don't care about the US, neither do foreign banksters, and neither do those with some sort of socialist or fascist agenda. All of these folks simply conspire to enrich themselves and will put a bullet in our heads to do so.

The proof is in the pudding. Both parties support the Patriot Act and the undermining of the US Constitution, both parties do NOT prosecute anyone whatsoever in the banking industry (as seen by the investigations into Corzine's MF Global, or market manipulation in equities/commodities/mortgage derivatives by Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, et cetera... one can go on and on), both parties support the Federal Reserve and all of its destruction of the financial stability of the middle class, and most importantly, neither of the parties want the individual to prosper.

I couldn't care less what happens to Iran at this point, apart from an attack from IsraHell which will cause an economic calamity.

 

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[Bjerknes]

It's not like racism is dead in the USA, I've been there several times and I know for a fact that it clearly is not.

Yes, you're right. And I experience it first hand at my job from races other than caucasians.

 

[swag]

Is Home Depot having a sale on fertilizer yet, Andy?

Because when you buy in volume, never pay full price.

 

[Bjerknes]

Next thing he'll tell us that the Stimulus package was a liberal idea.

It sort of is, actually. It's a Keynesian ideal, and all Liberals seemingly defend Keynes.

The funny thing is, Keynes would probably be appalled by these lunatic policies.

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Is Home Depot having a sale on fertilizer yet, Andy?

Because when you buy in volume, never pay full price.

I did find a great financing offer from Home Depot and they provided me with a 2K credit limit for a "refrigerator"...

 

[swag]

 

[Trequartista]

The whole "lesser of two evils" bit is exactly why nobody should vote for an establishment party. It confirms that both parties are indeed "evil". At the end of the day, both the Democrats and Republicans perform felatio on their big money owners; or in other words, those who couldn't give a rat's ass about this nation. US banksters don't care about the US, neither do foreign banksters, and neither do those with some sort of socialist or fascist agenda. All of these folks simply conspire to enrich themselves and will put a bullet in our heads to do so.

The proof is in the pudding. Both parties support the Patriot Act and the undermining of the US Constitution, both parties do NOT prosecute anyone whatsoever in the banking industry (as seen by the investigations into Corzine's MF Global, or market manipulation in equities/commodities/mortgage derivatives by Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, et cetera... one can go on and on), both parties support the Federal Reserve and all of its destruction of the financial stability of the middle class, and most importantly, neither of the parties want the individual to prosper.

Agreed.

Yes, you're right. And I experience it first hand at my job from races other than caucasians.

Yeah, it isn't only from Caucasians, that's for sure.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The whole "lesser of two evils" bit is exactly why nobody should vote for an establishment party. It confirms that both parties are indeed "evil". At the end of the day, both the Democrats and Republicans perform felatio on their big money owners; or in other words, those who couldn't give a rat's ass about this nation. US banksters don't care about the US, neither do foreign banksters, and neither do those with some sort of socialist or fascist agenda. All of these folks simply conspire to enrich themselves and will put a bullet in our heads to do so.

The proof is in the pudding. Both parties support the Patriot Act and the undermining of the US Constitution, both parties do NOT prosecute anyone whatsoever in the banking industry (as seen by the investigations into Corzine's MF Global, or market manipulation in equities/commodities/mortgage derivatives by Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, et cetera... one can go on and on), both parties support the Federal Reserve and all of its destruction of the financial stability of the middle class, and most importantly, neither of the parties want the individual to prosper.

I couldn't care less what happens to Iran at this point, apart from an attack from IsraHell which will cause an economic calamity.

but see you're deriving the wrong conclusion here, the conclusion is the idea of the USA, or any other nation for that matter, is the biggest scam of them all. This patriotism was and is still used to convince the masses to fight for the interests of the few and justify their trespasses. Invoke red white and blue, the troops, and of course OUR freedom and the scores of people jealous of it and you have the crowd in a trance. Only thing left to realize here is that you are simply on your own.

 

[Fake Melo]

I think that the "voting for lesser evil" isn't a problem only in the US, it's pretty much the same everywhere in the world.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I think that the "voting for lesser evil" isn't a problem only in the US, it's pretty much the same everywhere in the world.

 

[Trequartista]

Andy talking about politics, you reminded me of this

 

[Martin]

Andy

 

[Enron]

It sort of is, actually. It's a Keynesian ideal, and all Liberals seemingly defend Keynes.

The funny thing is, Keynes would probably be appalled by these lunatic policies.

Most conservatives defend Keynes is some form as well. Whether by passing a stimulus package in the last day of office or generally going along with the status quo. It's not really a liberal or conservative thing. It's an establishment thing.

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but see you're deriving the wrong conclusion here, the conclusion is the idea of the USA, or any other nation for that matter, is the biggest scam of them all. This patriotism was and is still used to convince the masses to fight for the interests of the few and justify their trespasses. Invoke red white and blue, the troops, and of course OUR freedom and the scores of people jealous of it and you have the crowd in a trance. Only thing left to realize here is that you are simply on your own.

I am an island.

 

[Bjerknes]

but see you're deriving the wrong conclusion here, the conclusion is the idea of the USA, or any other nation for that matter, is the biggest scam of them all. This patriotism was and is still used to convince the masses to fight for the interests of the few and justify their trespasses. Invoke red white and blue, the troops, and of course OUR freedom and the scores of people jealous of it and you have the crowd in a trance. Only thing left to realize here is that you are simply on your own.

You are definitely spot on in your last sentence. However, we certainly do not live in a perfect world where governments need not exist, so we're stuck with them. And since that is the reality, we are forced to participate in the making and scrutinization of the government. At least to me, when I see a government that applies laws on anybody but themselves and their donors, that is a criminal government that has failed and impossible to revive. So therefore, the smaller the government, the better. Get out of our lives and go to hell.

Andy talking about politics, you reminded me of this

I love that clip. You can't deny it's funny... and mostly true.

Most conservatives defend Keynes is some form as well. Whether by passing a stimulus package in the last day of office or generally going along with the status quo. It's not really a liberal or conservative thing. It's an establishment thing.

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I am an island.

It is an establishment thing, for sure. And I certainly do not trust Republicans in refusing to sign another stimulus bill.

Oh, and that reminds me. Staunch "Conservatives" (Republicans) like that wannabe Israeli Michael Savage are apparently saying turn your semi-auto's in. So these folks just go with the flow of whatever their money men tell them.

 

[Enron]

You are definitely spot on in your last sentence. However, we certainly do not live in a perfect world where governments need not exist, so we're stuck with them. And since that is the reality, we are forced to participate in the making and scrutinization of the government. At least to me, when I see a government that applies laws on anybody but themselves and their donors, that is a criminal government that has failed and impossible to revive. So therefore, the smaller the government, the better. Get out of our lives and go to hell.





I love that clip. You can't deny it's funny... and mostly true.





It is an establishment thing, for sure. And I certainly do not trust Republicans in refusing to sign another stimulus bill.

Oh, and that reminds me. Staunch "Conservatives" (Republicans) like that wannabe Israeli Michael Savage are apparently saying turn your semi-auto's in. So these folks just go with the flow of whatever their money men tell them.

Yeah, the "moral market" is now the "money market". I hate Michael Savage. He's right up there with Hannity.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

FYI the debt of the US is 15 trillion dollars and they are much worse than Europe, trying to make even bigger debts constantly.

Yes but the debt to GDP ratio is lower so try again

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Ps the reason I compare Europe the continent to the uSA is the EU's combined GDPs and spending is about on par with the US

 

[Maddy]

Ps the reason I compare Europe the continent to the uSA is the EU's combined GDPs and spending is about on par with the US

You need to compare with the Eurozone, not Europe.

And I can tell you that the Eurozones debt is smaller than both US and UK in terms of GDP ratio.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You need to compare with the Eurozone, not Europe.

And I can tell you that the Eurozones debt is smaller than both US and UK in terms of GDP ratio.

Ok so I will say euro zone or EU from now on. Do we have the actual numbers of GDP to debt ?

 

[Kate]

Ok so I will say euro zone or EU from now on. Do we have the actual numbers of GDP to debt ?

The Euro zone and the EU are different, though.

You might have meant this, but the sentence wasn't clear.

 

[Maddy]

Ok so I will say euro zone or EU from now on. Do we have the actual numbers of GDP to debt ?

I do and so does OECD. You can find them in OECD's Economic outlook.

In danish but the graph should be pretty clear.

You need to realise for every Greece and Italy there's a Germany, Finland or The Netherlands.