That's a weak argument imo, even if you were there would you really know what he was thinking?
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you obviously know so much about it :rolleyes2
try Russia, China or North Korea then....I'm sure their much more gentle
so many "experts" here can give such profound opinions after watching a 6 minute video that DOESN'T show everything....my advice to all you experts is to become police officers, and THEN see how you react to different situations where you feel threatened by serious physical injury, or death
Greg seems to be the only one here who has a clue...
- did they know who he was ??? the answer is no...he didnt have any school ID with him...he could have been a violent felon for all they knew
- was the defendant complient ?? from what I could hear on the tape, the answer is no....the police gave him verbal instructions, and he became combative
- with the situation escalating, did the police know if the defendant was on any type of drugs or was mentally stable ?? no...a reasonable person would have followed police commands, and the situation would have not escalated
- as the situation escalated, did the police know for certain that the defendant didnt have a weapon ?? the answer is simple...NO
So, instead of trying to crucify the officers, and make outlandish statements about police, lets all be adults and look at both sides of the story
try Russia, China or North Korea then....I'm sure their much more gentle
so many "experts" here can give such profound opinions after watching a 6 minute video that DOESN'T show everything....my advice to all you experts is to become police officers, and THEN see how you react to different situations where you feel threatened by serious physical injury, or death
Greg seems to be the only one here who has a clue...
- did they know who he was ??? the answer is no...he didnt have any school ID with him...he could have been a violent felon for all they knew
- was the defendant complient ?? from what I could hear on the tape, the answer is no....the police gave him verbal instructions, and he became combative
- with the situation escalating, did the police know if the defendant was on any type of drugs or was mentally stable ?? no...a reasonable person would have followed police commands, and the situation would have not escalated
- as the situation escalated, did the police know for certain that the defendant didnt have a weapon ?? the answer is simple...NO
So, instead of trying to crucify the officers, and make outlandish statements about police, lets all be adults and look at both sides of the story
The reports I've read say that the student was about to leave until he was stopped by a police officer. The video shows that the student was tasered shortly afterwards for telling the officer to let go of him.
If what that student did was combative, I suppose picketing with sandwich board signs is paramount to walking into a crowded area with explosives strapped to your body?
Everything you're saying here seems to condone the 'shoot first, ask questions later' attitude. Personally I don't think the doubts listed above justify repeatedly using a taser on a student in a university library.
Basically this sends out the message that anyone who forgets their student ID card will be suspected of being a violent, drug using, mentally unstable, gun wielding felon.
Sure, you could say "well, he shouldn't have forgotten his ID card", but tell me... if this same incident happened in the countries you named (Russia, China, North Korea), would you be saying "well, he shouldn't have forgotten his identification"? I think not.
If what that student did was combative, I suppose picketing with sandwich board signs is paramount to walking into a crowded area with explosives strapped to your body?
Everything you're saying here seems to condone the 'shoot first, ask questions later' attitude. Personally I don't think the doubts listed above justify repeatedly using a taser on a student in a university library.
Basically this sends out the message that anyone who forgets their student ID card will be suspected of being a violent, drug using, mentally unstable, gun wielding felon.
Sure, you could say "well, he shouldn't have forgotten his ID card", but tell me... if this same incident happened in the countries you named (Russia, China, North Korea), would you be saying "well, he shouldn't have forgotten his identification"? I think not.
It's ridiculous to defend the police in this case. The kid was minding his own business, exiting the premisses, and the cops come and detain him while he was leaving. He wasn't doing anything harmful or threatening, just trying to leave which he was instructed to do. Result: he gets tasered.
What sort of bullshit is that? And people wonder why there is so much hate for the police.
What sort of bullshit is that? And people wonder why there is so much hate for the police.
you werent there, and neither was I,...so neither of us know the full story
I dont condone the "shoot first and ask questions" theory that you are describing, if I did, I'd be out of a job....but if you struggle with the police, whether you think you are right or not, then there will be consequences
I dont condone the "shoot first and ask questions" theory that you are describing, if I did, I'd be out of a job....but if you struggle with the police, whether you think you are right or not, then there will be consequences
And if we're talking about "shoot first" here, let's be clear we're talking about a Taser. A frigging Taser: the kind of "weapon" that will get your ass laughed out of any given NRA meeting. It's not like the guy is brandishing a semi-automatic.
The great irony is that if the officer put him in a headlock and dragged him out, we'd have never heard of this and the student would undoubtedly have suffered some lasting physical damage.
The great irony is that if the officer put him in a headlock and dragged him out, we'd have never heard of this and the student would undoubtedly have suffered some lasting physical damage.
I beg to differ. You could just give an interview in a newspaper to cover for your actions, saying that it's not going to look pretty and that you have to be thick-skinned in this business.
My point is that the student in question hardly kicked and screamed. I'd say his behaviour and the level of violence he exhibited similar in ferocity to a child who gets sent to his bedroom without dessert.
My concern is that the police officers decided that this relatively unheated situation warranted the use of a taser (5 or 6 times, at that). If we were talking about a small town where the officers would not have been accustomed to such a ruckus, maybe it'd be a bit more understandable... but we're talking about Los Angeles here.
Sure, it happened in Westwood (which by all accounts is a fairly affluent neighbourhood) but you'd think that police officers 'serving and protecting' in a big city wouldn't be provoked into using such force by a mild disturbance in a university library.
So you're saying that someone has to use a high caliber rifle for it to be considered excessive force?
I can't help but think that because of the "it's just a taser" mentality, a taser is a perfect tool for someone who feels like causing someone considerable pain without worrying too much about killing them. You can't shoot someone a couple of times with a .22 just for kicks, but you can watch them writhe in pain for a good few seconds without worrying about a lawsuit concerning lasting damage.
If you watch the videos of police officers using their tasers to bring an aggressive suspect under control, it takes no more than a zap and a slap of the handcuffs to turn the once ready-to-kill-anyone-who-gets-too-close macho man into a crybaby begging for mercy. (and don't get started on the difference between firing electrified barbs and the drive stun mode of the taser)
Given the usage the taser was designed for (incapacitating a suspect to the extent that they can be restrained and put under control) as well as the amount of resistance the student gave after he was tased (and I'm talking about active resistance here, not passively lying on the floor), I hardly think it was an impossible task for the officers to get him out of the building without causing him spinal injuries. Again, think about the kind of situations these officers are trained for...
My point is that the student in question hardly kicked and screamed. I'd say his behaviour and the level of violence he exhibited similar in ferocity to a child who gets sent to his bedroom without dessert.
My concern is that the police officers decided that this relatively unheated situation warranted the use of a taser (5 or 6 times, at that). If we were talking about a small town where the officers would not have been accustomed to such a ruckus, maybe it'd be a bit more understandable... but we're talking about Los Angeles here.
Sure, it happened in Westwood (which by all accounts is a fairly affluent neighbourhood) but you'd think that police officers 'serving and protecting' in a big city wouldn't be provoked into using such force by a mild disturbance in a university library.
So you're saying that someone has to use a high caliber rifle for it to be considered excessive force?
I can't help but think that because of the "it's just a taser" mentality, a taser is a perfect tool for someone who feels like causing someone considerable pain without worrying too much about killing them. You can't shoot someone a couple of times with a .22 just for kicks, but you can watch them writhe in pain for a good few seconds without worrying about a lawsuit concerning lasting damage.
If you watch the videos of police officers using their tasers to bring an aggressive suspect under control, it takes no more than a zap and a slap of the handcuffs to turn the once ready-to-kill-anyone-who-gets-too-close macho man into a crybaby begging for mercy. (and don't get started on the difference between firing electrified barbs and the drive stun mode of the taser)
Given the usage the taser was designed for (incapacitating a suspect to the extent that they can be restrained and put under control) as well as the amount of resistance the student gave after he was tased (and I'm talking about active resistance here, not passively lying on the floor), I hardly think it was an impossible task for the officers to get him out of the building without causing him spinal injuries. Again, think about the kind of situations these officers are trained for...