The truth about Beijing Olympics (2 Viewers)

AlexTheGreat

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May 10, 2006
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ßöмßäяðîëя;1645361 said:
NO, your government are the idiots that actually don't do anything. They don't HAVE to listen to us.
so why your government fabricate a white book about China's human right record every year and you pay for the printing charge of the copies? we dont have to listen to you anyway
 

Vinman

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Jul 16, 2002
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Well you know how much he falsified Andy's credibility by using Wikipedia as a source and he calls me a hypocrite just so he uses Wikipedia as his source. I just found it funny.
I checked 20 different sources online, as well as checking a few books at home to find out for sure....and came up without an answer

I checked Wiki for something so simple as what types of guns were used during the war...big fucking deal. I dont see much controversy there, knucklehead

Get the pole out of your ass, and start giving a shit about things that really matter
 

AlexTheGreat

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May 10, 2006
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ßöмßäяðîëя;1645380 said:
1) It's not fabricated.
2) I don't pay taxes because I don't have a job.
3) Apparently you do have to listen to us, so keep listening.
we are listening, but plz lower your tune and say something reasonable and constructive
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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what an ironic that the leader "Master" li is under the protect of US government right now as dissenter, so plz tell your government what to do before you point the fingers to the Chinese government
Why didn't your government do anything in the first place? Think on that before you point fingers. And just so you know, every time I post my finger will be pointed at the Chinese government in honor of the victims.
 

Enron

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I checked 20 different sources online, as well as checking a few books at home to find out for sure....and came up without an answer

I checked Wiki for something so simple as what types of guns were used during the war...big fucking deal. I dont see much controversy there, knucklehead

Get the pole out of your ass, and start giving a shit about things that really matter
READER!!! :D
 

AlexTheGreat

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May 10, 2006
999
Why didn't your government do anything in the first place? Think on that before you point fingers. And just so you know, every time I post my finger will be pointed at the Chinese government in honor of the victims.
the goverment did. we arrested some of the elites of falun gong organization and made their leader li hongzhi as one of the top wanted. then the US government came out suddenly and accused the Chinese government crackdown these falun gong practitioners for religion persecution and offered a shelter for their leader. right now the falun gong oganization even got the fund to run all kinds of actons to against the Chinese government from the US congress. I don't want to point my fingers to anyone but the aiding to this evil oganization turns your government into a complicity of murder.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I checked 20 different sources online, as well as checking a few books at home to find out for sure....and came up without an answer

I checked Wiki for something so simple as what types of guns were used during the war...big fucking deal. I dont see much controversy there, knucklehead

Get the pole out of your ass, and start giving a shit about things that really matter
I did exactly the same thing though. All I wanted to do was show you how the pipelines run through those various nations and that they exist.

For some reason, I highly doubt someone is going to take the time to conjure up false pipelines and write about it on Wikipedia...
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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let me explain to you why I dont think India would not be as strong as China in a long period

this is a real story told by my friend who used to study in US. 10 years ago. a destructive flood happend in my country, millions of people suffered, thousands die and the rest became homeless. the Chinese student union in the university organized a charity campaign for those victims, many people responded including students from India. Later, same tragedy happend in India, my friend asked one of the Indian student if they want to organize a similar campaign and the Chinese students will do a return favor. the Indian student said no, and she said no one care about the death in flood because the indians were ranked since they were born, and those who killed in the flood blongs to the lower ranks, so it has nothing to do with the higher ranking indians where she belongs to.
No idea what this has to do with India's economy. As you've seen from your own nation, people do have to deal with different living conditions and standards. You can tell that just by looking at some of the architecture of various buildings around China after this latest quake. India has different classes of people than China, which is probably more poler than your country, but the gap is narrowing. Both economies are growing.
 

AlexTheGreat

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May 10, 2006
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No idea what this has to do with India's economy. As you've seen from your own nation, people do have to deal with different living conditions and standards. You can tell that just by looking at some of the architecture of various buildings around China after this latest quake. India has different classes of people than China, which is probably more poler than your country, but the gap is narrowing. Both economies are growing.
yes the economiy is growing in India, but thats just part of it.

a nation could not be a strong one if the people could not be united as one, IMO. and I doubt that the united thing would happen in a country which still classified their own people
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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yes the economiy is growing in India, but thats just part of it.

a nation could not be a strong one if the people could not be united as one, IMO. and I doubt that the united thing would happen in a country which still classified their own people
But your people aren't united as one either. They live in fear of the government unless you're brainwashed to their own liking.

It doesn't matter if India isn't united as one while their economy is growing. If China poses a real threat, they will be united as one because they'll have to be, just like they are in general against Pakistan's rhetoric.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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What Volvos weigh 15,000lbs?
Whew. At least we're not talking about 15,000lb vulvas.

I think I saw one of those by accident once. Swam up to a nude beach here in the States and thought it was an eclipse that was blocking out the sun. Then what I saw in the shade made me blind in both eyes....

the culture of taiwan has been attached to mainland China for hundres of years, even now most of people lives there are immigrators from the mainland and the local aborigines become minority and their social status are no better than American indian. the German reunification would be the best example for the both parties
Culture is insufficient cause for a common political leadership. Ask Northern Ireland about that one.

the sub base was built in my hometown, where is more than 1000 miles away from india, Japan and Korean are more qualified than india to ask themselve this question, but have they?
I don't know. I only went to India this month; I didn't go to Japan or Korea.

let me explain to you why I dont think India would not be as strong as China in a long period
All I know is that China's recent riches are heavily based off manufacturing, which is notoriously fleeting as an economic base. There was a time where everything was jokingly called "Made in Japan" in the West, which became "Made in Taiwan", which is now "Made in China". It's just the latest in a long line of successors and won't fuel the economy for too long without China needing to switch to other industries to remain viable. Part of that due to the terrible pollution build-up, another part due to the next economically inexpensive country that will leech China of its manufacturing base.

Basically, China is the world's Detroit right now. (I know Andy would take offense. ;) ) And every Detroit in history couldn't hold on to its manufacturing dominance for too long before someone poorer and hungrier came in to undercut them.

India, on the other hand, has an economic boom that seems largely fueled by the services sector and information economy. Both have proven to be pretty sustainable economic engines in countries when the manufacturing base has long since dried up and shipped off to the next country, be it Japan, Taiwan, China, Brazil, Africa, etc.

So short term: China is burning really bright. But longer term, for all the reasons of economic, environmental, and political sustainability, my money is on India ultimately becoming the bigger economic force in a few decades.
 

AlexTheGreat

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May 10, 2006
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No idea what this has to do with India's economy. As you've seen from your own nation, people do have to deal with different living conditions and standards. You can tell that just by looking at some of the architecture of various buildings around China after this latest quake. India has different classes of people than China, which is probably more poler than your country, but the gap is narrowing. Both economies are growing.
you are right about China, my people still have to deal with different living condition and standards nowadays. but the difference between China and India is every Chinese has the equal right to live well and live better regardless where he borns and what kinds of family he belongs to, and this is no going to happen in India
 

AlexTheGreat

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May 10, 2006
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But your people aren't united as one either. They live in fear of the government unless you're brainwashed to their own liking.

It doesn't matter if India isn't united as one while their economy is growing. If China poses a real threat, they will be united as one because they'll have to be, just like they are in general against Pakistan's rhetoric.
I have no idea how did you get such an impression of everyone fears about the government in China. if you watched CNN recently, you can see how many support the Chinese government had when there was a Olympic torch rallye was hold in San Francisco. Are you going to say these people some of whom lived in US more than 10 or even more than 20 year are also brainwash by the Chinese government?
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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you are right about China, my people still have to deal with different living condition and standards nowadays. but the difference between China and India is every Chinese has the equal right to live well and live better regardless where he borns and what kinds of family he belongs to, and this is no going to happen in India
There are remnants of the caste system in India to this day. But its more of an underclass problem closer to what the U.S. has in places like Appalachia than more of an institutionalized equivalent of racism. (And for the 57 races China likes to boast on paper, let's be fair in saying that you're Han or you're not there, and no "Yellow Emperor" publicity campaign would speak to you otherwise.)

If anything, I was surprised at how liberally democratic things are in India. It's truly a pluralistic society -- one that has been developed because of centuries of different invaders and peoples and languages that have conquered and dominated the subcontinent. That creates a lot more egalitarianism than I experienced in China among the non-Han people, let alone the governmental/political implications as well as a democracy and meritocracy.
 

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