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Valerio.

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Jul 5, 2014
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Which costs can you really cut though? The easiest thing is to get rid of some of the staff, sell an airplaine or something, but that's a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things.

You can cancel the remaining transfer fee payments for players you bought on multiple year deals (basically half of the squad for Juventus), but that obviously will only lead to a big loss and will have a big impact on the field as well. You can try to do something about player salaries, but those contracts last up to 4-5 years, there's no way you can cut that cost overnight. You can diminish wage bill by not renewing with players or offering them half of what they were earning before, but again you'd be losing a big asset that's worth tens of millions if you're just letting a player like Dybala go.

The big clubs will likely have a quite summer and will look to stabilize the salary situation, but not spending big on transfers and wages for new players at this point isn't the answer to all the losses Covid caused.
Real didn't buy anyone in the summer for the past 2 years...
I think some already doing that.
The problem is us. We keep buying,spending and low selling
 

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Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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My favourite parts:

"There are people who have privileges and don’t want to lose them, even if it ruins football"
You don't say. The people in charge of these 12 clubs, just to name a few of them.

- "We want to save football" (got this from an other article) => "It cannot be that in England, the six lose money and 14 make money. In Spain the top three lose money, and the others make money. That can’t continue; it is the rich are those who are losing money.”
So you want to save your own club, not football. Because if the rich clubs are losing money while the poor ones are making money, doesn't that confirm that the rich clubs have a problem while football in general doesn't?
Not to mention that the entire football world is tailor made for the big clubs anyway. And even with all the perks they receive, they're still losing money. That makes it pretty simple: terrible management.



As a sidenote: I am impressed how a bunch of greedy club owners managed to make UEFA look good in all this. Yes, UEFA, one of the most corrupt, selfish & poorly ran organizations out there are now made to look like the saviours of football. Quite the achievement of Agnelli & co.
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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My favourite parts:

"There are people who have privileges and don’t want to lose them, even if it ruins football"
You don't say. The people in charge of these 12 clubs, just to name a few of them.

- "We want to save football" (got this from an other article) => "It cannot be that in England, the six lose money and 14 make money. In Spain the top three lose money, and the others make money. That can’t continue; it is the rich are those who are losing money.”
So you want to save your own club, not football. Because if the rich clubs are losing money while the poor ones are making money, doesn't that confirm that the rich clubs have a problem while football in general doesn't?
Not to mention that the entire football world is tailor made for the big clubs anyway. And even with all the perks they receive, they're still losing money. That makes it pretty simple: terrible management.



As a sidenote: I am impressed how a bunch of greedy club owners managed to make UEFA look good in all this. Yes, UEFA, one of the most corrupt, selfish & poorly ran organizations out there are now made to look like the saviours of football. Quite the achievement of Agnelli & co.
First of all, those 12 football clubs are private businesses, what's so unusual about it that they want to make more money for their owners? Or do you think that fans have some divine rights for these companies (football clubs)?

Small clubs earn money thanks to the big clubs. It's the big clubs that interest the public and the small clubs benefit from the broadcast money and transfer fees. If there are no big clubs, who is going to buy their players or who the fuck is going to give a shit about watching freaking Stoke City vs Norwich in India for example?

The big clubs are taking all the risk to run this show you call world football.
 

Akshen

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Aug 27, 2010
10,671
My favourite parts:

"There are people who have privileges and don’t want to lose them, even if it ruins football"
You don't say. The people in charge of these 12 clubs, just to name a few of them.

- "We want to save football" (got this from an other article) => "It cannot be that in England, the six lose money and 14 make money. In Spain the top three lose money, and the others make money. That can’t continue; it is the rich are those who are losing money.”
So you want to save your own club, not football. Because if the rich clubs are losing money while the poor ones are making money, doesn't that confirm that the rich clubs have a problem while football in general doesn't?
Not to mention that the entire football world is tailor made for the big clubs anyway. And even with all the perks they receive, they're still losing money. That makes it pretty simple: terrible management.



As a sidenote: I am impressed how a bunch of greedy club owners managed to make UEFA look good in all this. Yes, UEFA, one of the most corrupt, selfish & poorly ran organizations out there are now made to look like the saviours of football. Quite the achievement of Agnelli & co.
U miss a point here, his argument is that its shortsighted - once the big clubs collapse, the small ones will collapse two, because their income from TV rights is that big only because the big clubs bring the interest from fans. Thats why he says he saves football, he sees it all connected and even if right now small clubs can handle crisis they wont handle it once the big one collapse.
Dunno if its true, probably none knows, we will see soon though.
 

Gigiventus

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Mar 3, 2017
3,281
So much nonsense in that interview, extremely tone deaf

Perez: "Signings like Haaland or Mbappe won't exist without the super league. In this pandemic situation this won't exist, not for Real Madrid nor for any club. Won't happen, believe me"

So you won't be able to sign Mbappe?

Perez: "No I haven't said that. That's for next season"
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
42,253
First of all, those 12 football clubs are private businesses, what's so unusual about it that they want to make more money for their owners? Or do you think that fans have some divine rights for these companies (football clubs)?

Small clubs earn money thanks to the big clubs. It's the big clubs that interest the public and the small clubs benefit from the broadcast money and transfer fees. If there are no big clubs, who is going to buy their players or who the fuck is going to give a shit about watching freaking Stoke City vs Norwich in India for example?

The big clubs are taking all the risk to run this show you call world football.
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My favourite parts:

"There are people who have privileges and don’t want to lose them, even if it ruins football"
You don't say. The people in charge of these 12 clubs, just to name a few of them.

- "We want to save football" (got this from an other article) => "It cannot be that in England, the six lose money and 14 make money. In Spain the top three lose money, and the others make money. That can’t continue; it is the rich are those who are losing money.”
So you want to save your own club, not football. Because if the rich clubs are losing money while the poor ones are making money, doesn't that confirm that the rich clubs have a problem while football in general doesn't?
Not to mention that the entire football world is tailor made for the big clubs anyway. And even with all the perks they receive, they're still losing money. That makes it pretty simple: terrible management.



As a sidenote: I am impressed how a bunch of greedy club owners managed to make UEFA look good in all this. Yes, UEFA, one of the most corrupt, selfish & poorly ran organizations out there are now made to look like the saviours of football. Quite the achievement of Agnelli & co.
UEFA looks good by spewing propaganda to the average dunce football fan. Impressive :baus:
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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Laporta, after cefarin ate his ass and said he felt bad for him the most, has just come out and said the super league is a necessity but it's up to the socios now.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,931
Laporta, after cefarin ate his ass and said he felt bad for him the most, has just come out and said the super league is a necessity but it's up to the socios now.
His also mentioned the key words here ' sporting merits'

Depends what that means but to me again, i dont think its a closed comptetion.


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And the drama continues.

Ceferin spoke in response to Perez interview yesterday, taken this interview from Marca.

"Perez is the president of a Super League that didn't exist, and at the moment he's the president of nothing," Ceferin told Slovenian broadcaster Pop TV.

"It's been clear to me for a long time that he doesn't want a UEFA president like me. This is just an even bigger incentive for me to stay.

"He would like to have a UEFA president who obeys him, who listens to him, who does what he wants," Ceferin added.

"In my opinion, the Super League never existed. It was an attempt to create a phantom league of the rich that wouldn't follow any system, that wouldn't take into account the pyramid structure of football in Europe, its culture, tradition or history," Ceferin said.

The UEFA president insisted he believes in the power of football, saying: "Football can trigger considerable social movements and I was sure that would be the case in England.

"After the reactions of [British prime minister] Boris Johnson, [France president] Emmanuel Macron and [Hungarian prime minister] Viktor Orban, as well as the European Commission, I knew this would end quickly."
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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‘Judas, Judas, Judas’: The fallout in Serie A from Agnelli’s Super League plans

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By James Horncastle Apr 21, 2021

This year marks the 30th anniversary of Sampdoria’s one and only scudetto. Repeating that achievement seems harder than ever now irrespective of the team’s current coach Claudio Ranieri knowing a thing or two about upsetting the odds. As the uproar around the Super League reached fever pitch, the 69-year-old still represents a dream. “The first thing that came to mind when I was reading about what these European clubs are up to is what Leicester City achieved. Regardless of my part in that success, this is what makes the game beautiful. This is the essence of sport when small teams can compete with the giants. What they’re trying to do is wrong.”
Ranieri was not some solitary reaper, ploughing a lonely furrow.

Verona’s Ivan Juric may not have been able to mount a title challenge to emulate the fairytale of 1985 when his club unexpectedly won Serie A, but he has made a routine of giving the top sides a bloody nose at the Bentegodi. Juventus lost there last year for instance. “I hope it’s sunk,” he said of the Super League. “It will sap emotion out of cities. I’m speechless.” Down in Bologna, his colleague Sinisa Mihajlovic called the whole thing awful. “The rich get richer and the poor get poorer,” he scoffed. “They’re going to get €350 million right away? They like winning easy and should go and form a league of their own. What are we going to do about it? Bologna might get €30 million and they’re taking €300 million. The gap just gets bigger.”

More withering was Sassuolo’s Roberto De Zerbi, who was so angry about a “coup d’etat” happening in his game that he stopped training and told his players and the club’s chief executive Giovanni Carnevali that if it were down to him they wouldn’t fulfil their fixture against AC Milan on Wednesday.
“It’s almost like you’re not allowed to dream a better future for yourself because of where you come from,” he said. “Like the son of a factory worker not being able to dream about one day becoming a surgeon, a lawyer or a doctor. It annoys me. In my own experience, it’s as if someone in the schoolyard came up to me and said: ‘That’s my ball’, picked it up and took it away.”

The other owners were not taking the Super League announcement lying down either. At a Serie A meeting on Monday, Juventus president Andrea Agnelli was reportedly interrupted by cries of “Judas, Judas, Judas” and there were calls for Inter’s chief executive Giuseppe Marotta to resign from his position as the new federal adviser to the league at the Italian Football Federation’s elective assembly.
Roma released a statement saying “some things are more important than money” and came out “strongly opposed” to the Super League “as it flies in the face of the spirit of the game we love”. Parma’s new owner Kyle Krause reminded everyone why he invested in the league.




Torino’s president Urbano Cairo made the most noise but that came as no surprise. The media mogul isn’t short of soapboxes as the majority shareholder of RCS Media Group, which publishes La Gazzetta dello Sport and Il Corriere della Sera in Italy and Marca and El Mundo in Spain. Gazzetta’s front page on Monday called on everyone to “Stop them!” and Cairo was even name-checked by Florentino Perez in his El Chiringuito interview when asked what he made of the Super League’s negative coverage.




“This Super League is an attack on the health and collective interest of the Italian game,” said Cairo, who is reportedly in talks with Serie A’s new principal domestic broadcast partner DAZN about setting up a couple of digital terrestrial channels to support the streaming platform’s offering.
His papers weren’t alone in taking a stand. “Are you mad?” Tuttosport asked before celebrating the news with the front-page headline “They caved!” Interviews with Agnelli in La Repubblica and Perez in La Stampa — papers that EXOR, the Agnelli family holding company have stakes in — came too late on Wednesday to explain the motives behind the Super League and offer their side of the story.

A banner outside Juventus’ Allianz Stadium read: “Our history must not be dragged through the mud, traded on and commercialised. We are Juventus FC. No to the Super League. You should be ashamed of yourselves.”

A group of famous Inter fans started a petition on change.org appealing to legendary captain and vice-president Javier Zanetti to make the club see sense. The ultras who stand in San Siro’s Curva Nord issued a communique to say: “Football, at least as we see it, is ‘Unbelievable at the Cibali‘” — the game Inter lost in Catania on the final day of the season in 1961 that cost them the title.

“We’re not interested in Inter-Bayern, Inter-Real Madrid and Inter-City without the away days in Prague, Warsaw or even the 24 hours to Benevento and back in the car. Football does not belong to the Super League, it belongs to the people. Otherwise, we’d get behind that NBA crap.”
Milan’s hardcore who bounce up and down at the opposite end of the Meazza took issue with any notion of fans being at the heart of the Super League project. “Now that the money’s running out, fight amongst yourselves, but don’t dare do it in the name of the supporters.”

Or the players.

Robin Gosens, the prolific wing-back whose Atalanta side beat Juventus at the weekend and was the last Italian team standing in the Champions League last season, said: “It’s a big disaster for football. I’m shocked by the fact it’s becoming reality. The fact that an underdog can win has always been at the foundation of football. If Arsenal and Tottenham always qualify without any sporting merit there will be no values left in football.”
Ultimately the pressure told and “the blood pact” between the founders — as Agnelli called it — broke down. Inter were the first Italian team to follow the Premier League six out of the Super League, Juventus had to concede “there are limited chances that the project be completed in the form originally conceived” and Milan announced the club had listened to “the voices and the concerns of fans around the world”.

Among those kept in the dark was Milan’s technical director, Paolo Maldini. “I’d like to clarify that I was never involved in the discussions about the Super League. I found out on Sunday night like all of you did. This was something decided at a higher level than my own. I felt a bit of confusion.”
It was a stunning turnaround. Less than 24 hours earlier Milan’s CEO Ivan Gazidis had said in a letter to the club’s sponsors: “We are confident that this new 20-team competition will capture the imagination of billions of fans around the world.” Agnelli too believed the project had “a 100 per cent chance of success” and although he expected “a similar reaction” to the one the project received his only concern was “the populism that gets in the way of dialogue on this initiative”.

The three Italian rebels experienced mixed results on Wednesday night, with Milan losing 2-1 to Sassuolo, Inter drawing 1-1 with Spezia and Juventus defeating Parma 3-1.

What next? Rather than go back over the clash between UEFA and the “dirty dozen”, we’re going to focus here on Italian football because, frankly, the outlook is bleak. Serie A may have agreed a €2.5 billion deal with DAZN but the technical glitches experienced during the recent game between Inter and Cagliari have cast fresh doubt on their ability to deliver a more comprehensive service. The talks with private equity groups over a €1.6 billion investment in a 10 per cent stake in a new media company that would have marketed and commercialised the league, turning more eyeballs on Serie A games, didn’t go anywhere.

The breathing space and finance to plan and rationalise the football system is yet to be found. Fans aren’t able to go to games and most Italian clubs don’t own their grounds anyway. The TV money has mostly saturated and while Juventus, AC Milan and Inter won’t expect any sympathy at the moment, these guys do a lot to add value and fund the football pyramid through simple trickle-down economics. “We brought Cristiano (Ronaldo) to Italy,” Agnelli explained to Corriere dello Sport, “and his presence alone has brought €4 million in gate receipts to other clubs.”

If the top clubs are making money, everyone’s making money. Cagliari got €40 million for Nicolo Barella, Brescia were able to structure a deal that, if made permanent, might fetch them €35 million for Sandro Tonali, Genoa can bank on €18 million for Nicolo Rovella. But what happens when the music stops and the euros aren’t flowing like they were before? The Super League provided a solution to a liquidity crisis but it wasn’t the answer anyone outside the 12 founders wanted to hear.
Where Serie A turns next remains to be seen. Today fans are celebrating getting their ball back and what competitive balance remains. The future, however, at least in terms of the sustainability of the football system, is still uncertain.
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JCK

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In other words, if UEFA gets paid the sums they want, the ESL will be more than supported, closed, open or whatever format it is. UEFA, the angels and saviours, got shit scared that were left out, so they used all their power to fight hiding behind the flag of "The fans"
 
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