The Super League (46 Viewers)

[GiocataGrande]

So I guess most people agree with that old senile fart (Perez)? Oh boy.

Great narrative though. "We're spending too much money & it's not sustainable. So what we need, obviously, is more money to continue spending like crazy."
Ad infinitum.

dont necessarily agree with that, but its very clear a change is needed. Am i backing change over UEFA Dinosaurs? yes

 

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[Buck Fuddy]

dont necessarily agree with that, but its very clear a change is needed. Am i backing change over UEFA Dinosaurs? yes

I'm definitely with you on that. Most people are, I think. And FIFA as well.

 

[PhRoZeN]

So I guess most people agree with that old senile fart (Perez)? Oh boy.

Great narrative though. "We're spending too much money & it's not sustainable. So what we need, obviously, is more money to continue spending like crazy."
Ad infinitum.

I don't agree with everything he says, but I'm gonna think a bit selfish for my clubs interest as well. Also I think when these clubs get together a lot more will be decided and taken into consideration. To me this whole plan is at its infancy stage, a little premature of both Perez and Agnelli to announce it, although their thinking came as result of clubs signing the contract.

There's a lot of misinformation flying around and Perez is an elitist so I think what he says it's just a what pretty much anyone would say in his position. The talk of salary cap and spending I believe is real pretty sure I read Agnelli mentioning that, the 350m bumper package is fake.

About spending then.





It's sustainable at an Elite level. Yes they are looking out for themselves, but there was an indication when this came out that there will be a second league as well. I read the union statement of apology and in that glazer cited how competitiveness is important the relegation promotion model needs to be included. Maybe in hindsight this whole farce is a blessing and will make the superleague plans flexible. I'm certain a number of clubs signing up will agree so I'm not reading too much into this just yet but know that yes it's a start, yes it's a move to combat the EPL superleague. A superleague that only recently decided to spend on its own grassroots and well you can already see some real talented players come from there. So it's just a replacement for a broken system, I think any change at this point is welcome, even if it's based on a similar premise.

 

[Strickland]

So I guess most people agree with that old senile fart (Perez)? Oh boy.

Great narrative though. "We're spending too much money & it's not sustainable. So what we need, obviously, is more money to continue spending like crazy."
Ad infinitum.

Which costs can you really cut though? The easiest thing is to get rid of some of the staff, sell an airplaine or something, but that's a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things.

You can cancel the remaining transfer fee payments for players you bought on multiple year deals (basically half of the squad for Juventus), but that obviously will only lead to a big loss and will have a big impact on the field as well. You can try to do something about player salaries, but those contracts last up to 4-5 years, there's no way you can cut that cost overnight. You can diminish wage bill by not renewing with players or offering them half of what they were earning before, but again you'd be losing a big asset that's worth tens of millions if you're just letting a player like Dybala go.

The big clubs will likely have a quite summer and will look to stabilize the salary situation, but not spending big on transfers and wages for new players at this point isn't the answer to all the losses Covid caused.

 

[IliveForJuve]

So I guess most people agree with that old senile fart (Perez)? Oh boy.

Great narrative though. "We're spending too much money & it's not sustainable. So what we need, obviously, is more money to continue spending like crazy."
Ad infinitum.

They're businesses with visionary men at the helm. Of couse they're going to want to increase their revenue. It's what forward thinking businessmen do. If you're too slow to react, you end up becoming a Milan, a Blockbuster, a Kodak, a Nokia.

I agree that we should stop spending money on idiotic signings but that only solves part of the problem. We need to find a way to become sustainable even when results on the pitch aren't the greatest like Manchester United does.

Why are we still acting like football clubs are NGOs? They're not.

Gone are the days of slow change. We have to react fast if we don't want keep falling behind English clubs.

 

[icemaη]

I know it's The Sun, but
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...eague-premier-league-man-utd-arsenal-chelsea/

 

[PhRoZeN]

I know it's The Sun, but
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...eague-premier-league-man-utd-arsenal-chelsea/

Nationalism, not sure how Celtic and Rangers are gonna help, they're as good as Southampton and Burnley.

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Loving headlines like these and its gonna be fun watching this turmoil unfold in the next month or two.

Ungrateful cunts, the prem superleague is only popular because of these rich owners

A lot of fans want to copy the german setup of 50+1, sustainable i reckon that will work against Sky's self interest.

 

[Salvo]

https://app.football-italia.net/?re...%AC219m-2019-20#article/footballitalia-169499

 

[Strickland]

https://app.football-italia.net/?re...%AC219m-2019-20#article/footballitalia-169499

Useless analysis, salary increases in season 2019-2020 most likely were planned in summer 2019. Sure Ceferin did not come out with a big gesture like giving up his salary for a couple of months in March and April 2020, but this doesn't show that he planned a salary increase during the pandemic either.

 

[Salvo]

In mid-March, Rummenigge, who is also the chairman of the European Club Association, told FAZ that clubs and UEFA are considering a third European competition to be placed above Champions League and Europa League.
The German broadsheet said in its story that UEFA planned "an evolution of the club competitions," and that qualification for the new league could also, at least in some parts, be down to the "attractiveness of the clubs and their importance in marketing."


This was in 2016

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I know it's The Sun, but
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...eague-premier-league-man-utd-arsenal-chelsea/

oh but no the super league. I bet the other clubs in the English footballing pyramid are rejoicing at the news that 2 teams from Scotland who are about the level of league 1 can fast track straight to the big time.

 

[michel]

No i believe we would see the opposite, owners would adopt a take it or leave it stance, they have all the leverage, they can just cap agent fees at a certain percentage. And once again because they have the peace of mind of assured earnings they can go back to work on long term plans as opposed to relying to hot players for immediate success. It would really take a lot of powers from players.
As for snaller teams, i see it actually as a shift from hiring old pensioners to giving more chances to younger players, it would be like college football vis a vis the NFL.

Seeing how football clubs have been run over the past 2-3 decades, I really have a hard time believing that. However, no one can know for sure, it might happen, right?

My point being, I don't see how ESL would change anything for small-mid clubs, as opposed to CL. For example Sassuolo (the same can be said for other teams), in the current format they have 0% chance of getting into CL, and nobody that goes to play there doesn't go with the hope of getting into the CL. Yet it doesn't stop Sassuolo (or any other team for that matter) to ask for €40m for Scamacca. I just don't see how this would change with the ESL. And not to forget, football clubs are run by people with huge egos, no way they will just all of a sudden start bending over to ESL clubs, why would they do that if they can just milk them, same as they are doing now?
And here I'm talking just about some average players. In the case of superstar players, ESL clubs would go into a bidding war with much larger figures than those we are seeing today, resulting also in much higher salaries for the players.

In my opinion, it's a never-ending cycle.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Which costs can you really cut though? The easiest thing is to get rid of some of the staff, sell an airplaine or something, but that's a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things.

You can cancel the remaining transfer fee payments for players you bought on multiple year deals (basically half of the squad for Juventus), but that obviously will only lead to a big loss and will have a big impact on the field as well. You can try to do something about player salaries, but those contracts last up to 4-5 years, there's no way you can cut that cost overnight. You can diminish wage bill by not renewing with players or offering them half of what they were earning before, but again you'd be losing a big asset that's worth tens of millions if you're just letting a player like Dybala go.

The big clubs will likely have a quite summer and will look to stabilize the salary situation, but not spending big on transfers and wages for new players at this point isn't the answer to all the losses Covid caused.

I may be misinterpreting your post, but what I get from it is basically this: We've been badly mismanaging the club for a few years now & can't continue. Quick, someone should bail us out.
And if someone does bail you out, you're fine for the time being. And then a few years later, you're in the same situation again, unless actual reforms are carried out. But I don't believe, not even for a single second, that meaningful reforms were going to happen.

We need to find a way to become sustainable even when results on the pitch aren't the greatest like Manchester United does.

If only there was an easy way to do this. Like, for example, looking at your expenses vs your current & projected income.

A club that spends more than 70% of its budget on players really needs to shut up about being sustainable. If you're spending hundreds of millions on a single, old player, you know damn well that is not sustainable in the long run. It's really not rocket science.

 

[.zero]

What was the summary of the Perez interview?

 

[DS8_Montero]

One of the problems is that even though Agnelli has a decent portfolio of media assets, he doesn't own newspapers that speak to the right audience. He should buy The Sun, The Daily Mirror, and other newspapers like that. Then they should start publishing articles about this woman from London, let's call her Helen, whose husband's dick started growing 1 inch a month after he became a supporter of the Super League, while her best friend's husband's dick started shrinking 1 inch a week after he started criticizing ESL. In about two weeks there will be crowds on the streets demanding that EPL clubs join the Super League immediately, with Boris Johnson in the first row.

 

[Strickland]

I may be misinterpreting your post, but what I get from it is basically this: We've been badly mismanaging the club for a few years now & can't continue. Quick, someone should bail us out.
And if someone does bail you out, you're fine for the time being. And then a few years later, you're in the same situation again, unless actual reforms are carried out. But I don't believe, not even for a single second, that meaningful reforms were going to happen.

You are misinterpreting the post. Covid is a unique situation and both well run businesses and businesses with high risk appetite suffer from it, it's not just Juventus or not just Barcelona who are in trouble here.

 

[Cerval]

[Gazzetta] Clubs are calling on UEFA for sanctions on Real Madrid and Juve, leaders of the last few days. It's been suggested to ban them from the CL for a year. UEFA is preparing clauses to prevent such actions in the future. New registration rules, reformed FFP & salary cap are being discussed.

 

[Salvo]

[Gazzetta] Clubs are calling on UEFA for sanctions on Real Madrid and Juve, leaders of the last few days. It's been suggested to ban them from the CL for a year. UEFA is preparing clauses to prevent such actions in the future. New registration rules, reformed FFP & salary cap are being discussed.

On what grounds? Impossible, they'd have to ban the other 10 as well.

 

[PhRoZeN]

What was the summary of the Perez interview?

The main bits, this actually gives more info than what was summarised in tweets last night.

Speaking in an interview with the late-night radio show El Larguero, Pérez admitted he was “sad and disappointed”. But he insisted none of the clubs, all of which he said had signed identical contracts which contain penalty clauses for pulling out, had formally left the association and claimed they would continue to work to find “solutions”. He denied that Juventus and Milan had pulled out, described Barcelona as “reflecting”, and at one point during a long, rambling and often contradictory appearance, even said “the English haven’t gone”.


“There was one of the English clubs who didn’t seem so interested and that spread to the rest,” Pérez said. “They signed the contract but we could already see that that they were not convinced. And then the avalanche started, the Premier League ‘heating things up’. They said: ‘We’re going to pull out for now.’ There was a club that you could tell wasn’t as interested but they worked with us and signed up.”

Although he had said he wouldn’t name the club, when he was asked if it was Manchester City, Pérez said: “The one from Manchester saw the campaign saying this will kill the leagues, that it won’t allow [sporting] merit, that it was the end of football. There are people who have privileges and don’t want to lose them, even if it ruins football. When the English called me [on Tuesday], we met to see what we could do. They tried, but said: ‘Look, we’re not going to do this.’ ”

Asked why the English clubs pulled out: “Because they saw the atmosphere. Uefa turned it into a show. It was as if we had dropped an atomic bomb. Maybe we didn’t explain it well but they didn’t give us the chance to. Why? Because they didn’t want us to. I have never seen such aggressiveness; it was orchestrated. They next day they killed us. They were waiting for us. I think they knew we were going to do it. There were threats, insults, as if we had killed football.

“The owners are mostly not English. They’re not in it to make money, they have teams in America, love sport and they found themselves in a position they didn’t expect. They’re old, they got scared,” said Pérez, who is 74.


Pérez also took issue with the suggestion that opposition to the plans was unanimous. Asked about the Chelsea fans that gathered outside Stamford Bridge, he shot back: “There were 40 of them and if you like I’ll tell you who brought them there.”


Chelsea fans protesting at Stamford Bridge. ‘There were 40 of them and if you like I’ll tell you who brought them there,’ Florentino Pérez
When he was brought back to that remark later, asked to say who it was who had planted the fans there, he made reference to anti-super league T-shirts that La Liga had arranged for players to wear before this midweek round of games, including Madrid’s trip to Cádiz. “Well, the person who put them there,” he said, not entirely coherently. “Like the one who organised the T-shirts in Cádiz. The same, the same. This isn’t normal.”



Pérez said Atlético had pulled out of the Super League “feeling low after having to hear so many stupid things”. He also insisted that Barcelona’s president, Joan Laporta, had been due to speak the day after he first had. “They didn’t even give him 24 hours to do so,” he said. “He tried, like the English did. I think they got very tired of working hard just for there to be problems. It cannot be that in England, the six lose money and 14 make money. In Spain the top three lose money, and the others make money. That can’t continue; it is the rich are those who are losing money.”

Pérez said the Super League was on “standby”, that he was certain a “very similar” competition would soon be created, and the group was open to discussing ideas with Uefa and other bodies: “We are going to keep working. We are looking for ways of getting this done. It would be a shame not to get it done.”

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...o-perez-insists-super-league-is-far-from-dead

 

[Badass J Elkann]

On what grounds? Impossible, they'd have to ban the other 10 as well.

you know they will, like I said before this just stinks of calciopoli, they'll make an example of us and reward the others for their so called loyalty because they bottled it first.

I swear I'm done with football the injustice is endless.