The Super League (48 Viewers)

[.zero]

Do not worry. The feeble minds here that are so vocal against CL are a very small minority. Most fans around Europe, all government bodies and responsible institutions are against the SL. These "founders" clubs have an uphill battle ahead of them.
It is quite possible that these clubs will alienate many if not most of their European fans and we pay the bills. Despite all the talks about global reach and other BS stuff the fans outside Europe spend significantly less on average and in total on football.
This proposed SL is dead in the water at the moment, if the European institutions do their job and the fans continue to oppose it.There are so many levers that they could push if they decide to react with the hammer.
For example, the privileged tax status these clubs and players enjoy could be removed, among many other privileges they enjoy. UEFA and the national leagues could expell them, ban transfers, ban players from participation in any competition and also take legal action. Let's see how these clubs will manage with the "massive" income from overseas operations selling counterfeit shirts to the Chinese.

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Any “privileges” such as tax benefits or exemptions that are not extended to the SL would be considered anti competitive behavior in favor of UEFA. A court would throw that out otherwise open up an entire world of problems from other industries.

 

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[Ronn]

Susy Campanale thinks it’s a bargaining ploy so it’s real 100%

 

[Powis]

 

[Ronn]

Do not worry. The feeble minds here that are so vocal against CL are a very small minority. Most fans around Europe, all government bodies and responsible institutions are against the SL. These "founders" clubs have an uphill battle ahead of them.
It is quite possible that these clubs will alienate many if not most of their European fans and we pay the bills. Despite all the talks about global reach and other BS stuff the fans outside Europe spend significantly less on average and in total on football.
This proposed SL is dead in the water at the moment, if the European institutions do their job and the fans continue to oppose it.There are so many levers that they could push if they decide to react with the hammer.
For example, the privileged tax status these clubs and players enjoy could be removed, among many other privileges they enjoy. UEFA and the national leagues could expell them, ban transfers, ban players from participation in any competition and also take legal action. Let's see how these clubs will manage with the "massive" income from overseas operations selling counterfeit shirts to the Chinese.

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What would Spanish FA’s sponsors say when Real Madrid and Barca are banned? Also EPL’s TV partners in case those big 6 clubs are thrown out?
this is mostly about crushing UEFA’s monopoly, and responding with natural things monopolies would do will backfire.

 

[pavelnel]

Any “privileges” such as tax benefits or exemptions that are not extended to the SL would be considered anti competitive behavior in favor of UEFA. A court would throw that out otherwise open up an entire world of problems from other industries.

We will see. On the other hand, closed competitions could also be considered by an EU court as anti-competitive and could be sanctioned under current and new rules. These clubs will have an oversized effect on European football that could be classified as a cartel, so there is that.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Atalanta's total wage bill in 2016/17 was 24m (14th in league), Milan's was 80m (4th in league), the difference between them 56m. Between 2016/17-2019/20 Atalanta qualified for CL 3 times out of 4, Milan 0 times out of 4, an incredible achievement for a team of Atalanta's stature that they're likely to pull off again 2020/21.

And 4 seasons later Atalantas wage bill is 42.6m (11th in league), Milans is 90m (5th in league), the difference is 47.4m. So yeah, for sure they've diminished the gap by almost 10m in absolute numbers and a lot more in relative percentages, but at this rate how many seasons of incredibly punching above your weight would it take to catch up? Is it even possible?

The system in place already is unfair to the small clubs, sporting accomplishments don't pay accordingly and the gap between the rich, the poor and the very poor has been getting larger and larger for decades now. ESL wouldn't be destroying something that's working, it'd just be replacing one system that's bad for the little guys with another one that's just as bad for the little guys.

I think having double your wage bill in only four years is a huge achievement. It's silly to comapre a huge club like Milan and Atalanta, but rather some mid table team who didn't qualify for four years. I doubt that mid-table team managed to double their wages in that period.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Replace Tottenham & Chelsea with PSG & Bayern and I will argue that they represent most football fans in the world.

Chelsea bigger than PSG.

 

[Elvin]

Surprise surprise, a player who shows up only once or twice a year wants there be big games only once or twice a year.

 

[BayernFan]

Not as dumb as I thought he was. Agree fully.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Any “privileges” such as tax benefits or exemptions that are not extended to the SL would be considered anti competitive behavior in favor of UEFA. A court would throw that out otherwise open up an entire world of problems from other industries.

I thought things like tax benefits were laws created within the country itself to encourage investment in the country and not just on a sporting level.

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He's just pissed Fenerbahce didn't get an invite.

 

[juve123]

Not as dumb as I thought he was. Agree fully.

When is bayern joining the Super League along with dortmund and Leipzig

 

[.zero]

We will see. On the other hand, closed competitions could also be considered by an EU court as anti-competitive and could be sanctioned under current and new rules. These clubs will have an oversized effect on European football that could be classified as a cartel, so there is that.

Same argument can be made about UEFA bc it is a is a cartel itself though. It’s exclusionary in a pay-to-play construct where UEFA ultimately pockets and deems whether a club can join one of its domestic Competitions.

That’s why the folks behind the SL have master planned this quite well because any questions asked of it would have to present a mirror to UEFA.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Fab Fragment]

As Salvo suggested, let’s hire Platini - we could use him for the day to day running of the show.
Even better would be if we hold FIGC ransom and have Moggi become the president

 

[BayernFan]

When is bayern joining the Super League along with dortmund and Leipzig

I don't know. That day will be a sad day for me.

 

[.zero]

I thought things like tax benefits were laws created within the country itself to encourage investment in the country and not just on a sporting level.

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He's just pissed Fenerbahce didn't get an invite.

Industries get tax benefits created to bring income to a country or municipality. So I’m essence you are correct that a state creates the tax benefit. But it’s passed into law for orgs to bring their business to their tax jurisdiction. Those same tax benefits would have to be available to SL clubs and players operating in Italy for example.

The only way I see this not happening is blatant outward corruption. Which we have seen FIFA perpetrate. With US stakeholders in the SL you can bet that the FBI will get involved there is some fvckery from UEFA and the EU courts.

 

[Strickland]

I think having double your wage bill in only four years is a huge achievement. It's silly to comapre a huge club like Milan and Atalanta, but rather some mid table team who didn't qualify for four years. I doubt that mid-table team managed to double their wages in that period.

Why is it silly to compare them? Isn't the whole idea behind anti-ESL that the historically big clubs shouldn't be guaranteed money? My point is they already are guaranteed all the money, Milan can fuck around and drop the ball for a decade and it's still in Serie A TOP3 when it comes to revenue, the current system governed by UEFA is no better than the ESL when it comes to income parity, Champions League doesn't pay nearly enough.

 

[Alex-444]

Atalanta and two other clubs have called for Juventus, AC Milan and Inter to be excluded from Serie A

 

[PhRoZeN]

I've always loved the UCL, despite our failures it's that competition where the anthem gets your hair raising and you get to watch and read stories about teams and talents around Europe. However this tournament has long been flawed, and it's not actually because of UEFA but more down to leagues and how money is distributed. Premier league have been milking it with tv rights and sponsorships, when you get teams like spurs with higher revenue than us, you know the system is fucked up. The rich were always getting richer and i totally despise the Nevilles and the press coming out in numbers to talk like this is some sort of grassroots vs rich, the david vs goliath, the oppressed vs the oppressor, rich vs poor etc.

Its nonsense, the FA, lega etc

• Ruined football when they decided to approve sheikhs buying 'their' clubs.
• Ruined football when they marketed and lured tv rights probably coercively and connivingly towards themselves.
• Ruined football when they call every league a farmers league and talk elitist bullshit.
• Ruined football when they collaborated in farsoopoli against one of the most successful teams in the world.
• Ruined football when they changed rules around coronovirus and when a match can be postponed.
• Ruined football with VAR
• Ruined football with their designated refs.
• Ruined football for failing to stamp down on Racism.

Im sure this list can grow but all i can say is a big F*** to the leagues, oh im totally enjoying this melodrama, thank you Agnelli and thank you Perez. The latter deserves credit because we needed that superdog on our side and you can't get any bigger than Real, the darling of UEFA

 

[Bjerknes]

JP Morgan doesn’t play games. I don’t like them at all but if they’re throwing 6B USD into this, it’s happening. They have the power to front run entire markets worth many more billion and UEFA is a like conglomerate of lemonade stands.

 

[Juve92]

Super League Fuck UEFA