The Super League (16 Viewers)

[Siamak]

Makes sense.

Local fans will mostly be against the idea of a Superleague.
International fans, having less ties, will mostly be in favour of it.

I don't think it will happen just yet. But if & when it does, I'm out. Not that that matters one bit, obviously

How many times have we said “I am done with this team, never watching them again” but we always come back. People will still watch this league.
another point is broadcasters could stop this in it's tracks..... The fans don't turn up to the games, and the broadcasters refuse to televise it, or ever report on it per-se.

 

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[K.O.]

The domestic leagues are losing significance with this, so not only are we getting richer but the rest are getting poorer because of the inevitable decrease in media rights. it's a fucking shitshow.

Why would there be a significant decrease in media rights for domestic leagues if these elite clubs do not get banned from participating.

 

[radekas]

That is the entire point. If football is to continue being a the people's sport then we need initiatives that counter the direction it's already taking. Not something that separates the league entirely.

The domestic leagues are losing significance with this, so not only are we getting richer but the rest are getting poorer because of the inevitable decrease in media rights. it's a fucking shitshow.

Football will never get back to the 80s when a Romanian or Yugoslavian team could actually fight with western superpowers. This isn't how the football economy works. The time to stop that process was around year 2000 at most. You either have to accept that or basically steal the money from the rich and give it to the shit clubs. This will never happen. UEFA doesn't even care about it as long as they get their gigantic share of the money. They act like they do when they implement shit like Financial Fair Play but then when City is blatantly ignoring it they have no balls to exlude them.

Your point of view is romantic for sure but it's something that will never happen unless WW3 resets the world.

 

[Alen]

I like the idea of everyone playing everyone, and then knockouts.
You have a feeling that it's a domestic league and CL in one.

Well, everyone won't play everyone since there will be two groups of 10, but still, everyone gets guaranteed 18 matches against top teams and then if they make it to the knockouts, "the CL" starts.

Still, ESL will need Bayern and PSG from the current bunch of top teams. Right now those are the two best teams.

 

[B3N]

The so called poorer teams that will supposedly suffer from this will probably get a much bigger benefit. They will have a more fierce competition to qualify and instead of getting so little as they usually get from six group matches in the CL and go crashing out, they will get exposure, more competitive matches for a longer run and of course a much better financial package. So far since yesterday I have only seen benefits for all parties in this except of course for UEFA but who cares about UEFA?

That is apparently the "international fans with less ties" way of thinking.

 

[Alen]

I am not a domestic fan and I would like to see their point of view. What is it that makes them against this?

 

[Gigiventus]

I don't think this has anything to do with the Serie A or any other domestic association. The Super League is a mid-week tournament challenging the UCL, domestic leagues are pressed by UEFA to act like this new competition is actually damaging. TV revenues for domestic leagues are still in place, and in fact, the smaller teams could renegotiate to get more money out of the TV deal. The gap between the elite clubs and others will get bigger, yes, but that doesn't mean the smaller clubs are going bankrupt or even get hit financially, it's just a case where the big clubs will become richer.

The way I see it, and I could be wrong, Its a battle between the elite clubs and UEFA. League associations are threatened by UEFA to take a stand against it or otherwise risk getting no financial aid from UEFA and they have nothing to lose. Just oppose and see who wins at the end. Either way, 80-90% of their financial income is secured by TV rights for their domestic leagues not UEFA.

The second bolded sentence contradicts the first one.

Right now there is too big of a gap between the top 3 and the rest, financially. Yet the fact that qualifying to EL/CL can boost a smaller club significantly promotes competition. If we remove this then you freeze the situation and there will be no possible competition from the smaller clubs. Juve, Inter, and Milan will get a guaranteed huge paycheck regardless of what happens in Serie A, and they will be forever increasing the gap with the rest.

So Atalanta is well managed, builds for years with a good project, qualifies for CL, gets more revenue, increases its squad quality, can qualify for CL again, beats Juve, Roma, Lazio, Napoli in league position, is able to start climbing from the provincial small club to a heavy hitter... Now? none of that. Atalanta can place ahead of Juve and Milan in Serie A yet they won't be in the super league, Juve and Milan will get huge amounts of money anyway to "correct" that situation and come back stronger every season.

Clubs outside of the super league are doomed to this situation. Its the worst version of the current EL/CL system because the super league is a closed competition for its founders.

In the long run this creates two very distinct classes and the appeal of domestic leagues and CL/EL will decrease in the face of the super league. And if the appeal of the existing competitions decreases then so will their budgets.

 

[Nzoric]

Football will never get back to the 80s when a Romanian or Yugoslavian team could actually fight with western superpowers. This isn't how the football economy works. The time to stop that process was around year 2000 at most. You either have to accept that or basically steal the money from the rich and give it to the shit clubs. This will never happen. UEFA doesn't even care about it as long as they get their gigantic share of the money. They act like they do when they implement shit like Financial Fair Play but then when City is blatantly ignoring it they have no balls to exlude them.

Your point of view is romantic for sure but it's something that will never happen unless WW3 resets the world.

You might very well be right - but just because FFP is very flawed doesn't mean we should just abandon the idea and make a superleague instead

This battle is far from over, hopefully we get bitchslapped back into humility by UFEA, the national football leagues, the FA's etc.

 

[radekas]

I feel like UEFA and the federations were very succesfull in spinning this against the 12 clubs by posing like the clubs want to destroy domestic leagues while UEFA is the defender of the good ol' ways.

When in reality 12 clubs just want to take power from UEFA and put it in their hands while also not even touching anything in domestic football.

I would understand the outrage if the clubs announced that they leave their leagues to form the Football NBA, which seemed like the idea yesterday, but after more details were revealed, is not their point AT ALL.

 

[.zero]

It's Italy, I'm sure both will start legal action.

blasphemy charges against Juve and the Milanese clubs

 

[radekas]

You might very well be right - but just because FFP is very flawed doesn't mean we should just abandon the idea and make a superleague instead

This battle is far from over, hopefully we get bitchslapped back into humility by UFEA, the national football leagues, the FA's etc.

I, on the other hand hope, that UEFA and national football institutions will crawl in their corner and ask the clubs to: "notice me, senpai". After years of Juventus getting fucked by the FIGC I couldn't care less for their hurt butts.

 

[Gigiventus]

Why would there be a significant decrease in media rights for domestic leagues if these elite clubs do not get banned from participating.

Because they become less relevant. The elite clubs qualify for the super league regardless of domestic results. Why should we care if Juve places 5th or 4th this season if anyway we have our big european competition? it changes the priorities and thus changes the level of competition. The next TV deal for domestic competition will be lower than the current one, same for the next deal for CL/EL, and everyone loses except for the clubs in the ESL.

 

[Nzoric]

I, on the other hand hope, that UEFA and national football institutions will crawl in their corner and ask the clubs to: "notice me, senpai". After years of Juventus getting fucked by the FIGC I couldn't care less for their hurt butts.

Fair enough. Hope my side wins :biggrin:

 

[Inglip]

I don’t want to watch the Juventus Globe Trotters turn European and world football into a money making spectacle. You think this is going to improve serie a? It’s going to make the domestic leagues a sham - we will be earning 10-15x as much money as the other clubs who will have very little source of income. It will create such a vast chasm between us and the Milan clubs and the rest of the league.

The domestic league is a sham for years, what has the federation done to improve that?

 

[Nzoric]

Because they become less relevant. The elite clubs qualify for the super league regardless of domestic results. Why should we care if Juve places 5th or 4th this season if anyway we have our big european competition? it changes the priorities and thus changes the level of competition. The next TV deal for domestic competition will be lower than the current one, same for the next deal for CL/EL, and everyone loses except for the clubs in the ESL.

I agree 100% @K.O.

The domestic league loses all significance. All TV deals will be aiming to get in on the Superleague, few will be interested in showing the weekend training matches in the Serie A.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

The domestic league is a sham for years, what has the federation done to improve that?

LeTs HaVe PlAyOfFs

 

[Elvin]

I like the idea of everyone playing everyone, and then knockouts.
You have a feeling that it's a domestic league and CL in one.

Well, everyone won't play everyone since there will be two groups of 10, but still, everyone gets guaranteed 18 matches against top teams and then if they make it to the knockouts, "the CL" starts.

Still, ESL will need Bayern and PSG from the current bunch of top teams. Right now those are the two best teams.

A little irrelevant, but being a life-long Italophile I wish Rome had a representative. Oh well.

 

[JCK]

I am not a domestic fan and I would like to see their point of view. What is it that makes them against this?

Shortsightedness

 

[Salvo]

I like the idea of everyone playing everyone, and then knockouts.
You have a feeling that it's a domestic league and CL in one.

Well, everyone won't play everyone since there will be two groups of 10, but still, everyone gets guaranteed 18 matches against top teams and then if they make it to the knockouts, "the CL" starts.

Still, ESL will need Bayern and PSG from the current bunch of top teams. Right now those are the two best teams.

I don't get why the teams in the super league wouldn't compete for domestic titles as well, why is that the assumption?

 

[Strickland]

The notion that clubs like Atalanta grow significantly if they qualify to CL has proven to be incorrect. In 5 seasons between 2016 and 2021 Atalanta will have finished in CL spots 4 times out of 5, yet their wage bill is still very midtable in Serie A. The money that CL gets them isn't enough for them to catch up with the likes of Roma or Lazio longterm, let alone Milan or Inter. Same with Roma, whether they do or don't do well in CL, the FFP will still doom them to be a selling club.