I never give up, i ve just given up any false hopes for any title, but even if we dont have any realistic chances, we shouldnt give up and try for the best anyway. I will always stand behind Juve and i will always want to see us fight until the end,this is another case,
but we cannot ignore the truth, there are always some limits we cannot cross, those limits are set by our potential and or choices.
Even a heroic action cannot bend them, only a miracle could do...
We have to reckon though that the odds werd
against us and we have done little to turn tables...
I ve stated the reasons why my posts are so lengthy, we are here to speak/argue and debate for Juventus in a more or less serious manner.
There are times that a one liner/joke post is appropriate and times when a full argumentation is needed.
Out of respect for the members that might have possibly missed some of the arguments i ve repeated in the past, i feel the obligation that i have to repeat some important arguments that they might have missed in a previous discussion. If i dont, they will not be able to understand and contribute in this debate. Since this is an open forum and i respect every one's opinion, i feel the need to explain my argumentation clearly so that the discussion wont make any circles, esp when i am alone in issue and my posts have to be the devils advocate.
I refrain of doing it when somebody repeated my arguments, directly or indirectly but i thought it was necessary now, in this thread.
Another thing is that i might not completely agree or disagree with the essence of my debater, so i have to make sure of the details that stand between us.
I debate without the use of personal insults and other flaming material, i respect my debater and there fore i keep our discussion going, because i believe that i can reason with him.
In the mean time my post is open to a third party to make an interference,
this forum isnt for private discussions only.
I can chat using a few lines only, with the members i know for years now, i know their reason, i know their thoughts, i know their arguments and i can see where they are coming for, ignoring the rest,
(like the majority of our quality but arrogant members do)
but this is a public forum and as long as i have the patience and the time to right a long post, i cant see whats wrong with it.
You can always skip my post, but i understand that this is not a solution for the ones that respect my opinion and dont have the necessary time to read my whole post.
Therefore, from now on i will underline the most important parts of my long posts, so that you can skip the rest
There are always two sides of the same coin, who ever is defiant to keep a side and support his opinion is a broken record??
I dont think so... the ones who change their opinion and get carried away from negative or positive thoughts/moments can be accused of sheep mentality though, seek them to in both sides, not only the side that disagree with your opinion...
-I only put them in the same position, to outline the fact, that we could have bought someone better with their combined fee.
I dont rate with the same way, they faced similar but different conditions and they reacted in a different way.I think you missed my posts were i refrained to them, esp on Tiago.
But i ve always considered them two risks and that was my opinion by the day we bought them, we should pick someone more reliable and proven,
but we opted for quantity, not quality,
i can see us now ready to repeat the same mistakes
This is exactly how the smalls teams work. I ve detected this was our manager's strategy 2 seasons ago
and i was certain that we will suffer in the long run because of these decisions.
And thats why i keep flaming them , i ve red the signs and i was right,
unfortunately...
As a big club we are supposed to think and act big. We should buy one great player instead of gambling with 2-3 mediocre ones...
- (Poulsen)
We could have bought someone as good as Mancini with a similar fee...
OR, we could have invested these money to upgrade places that are not good enough.
Our LB for example, we have Molinaro for a starter, no matter if Poulsen will be as good as Sissoko or Zanetti, we will be still suffering in our flanks because of him.
Same goes with Amauri, no matter how good he is upfront, we will still be conceding from stupid errors in our defense. Hopefully he will do some attempts to personally penetrate enemy defenses and reach were our mediocre long balls cant, without the help of an AMF.
But he should do all that with the efficience, DP had, last year and without the experienced in the highest levels DP has. If he wont make it, he would be a failure, tactically at least...
We should upgrade our starters first and then use the available money for the subs. We should bring a cheap a free new DM or 5th striker and a CB rated as good as Amauri and an LB rated as good as Poulsen. We can easily find someone between Poulsen's and Marcisio's value. But we preferred to bring an old and free Mellberg as a possible starter and spend the available money on Poulsen, a possible squad player/sub...
If Poulsen was at least as promising as Sissoko, that this transfer would be somewhat justified strategically,
but it seems that the choice of selecting him right now is wrong both tactical and strategical, no matter if he helps us or not.
We could opt for a better solution that would help our team more.
I want the best for Juve, not just what is good enough, Poulsen may be good enough, but we could easily done better...
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It is not a bad thing to have this super stacked up forward line, but our team isnt balanced, our forward is world class, our midfield is CL class and our defense is serie B class. When Real Madrid had a similar strategy we were all hurry to make fun of them and predict that they will fail because of that.
They had a terrible defense and the were buying a new forward to fix that,
now we have become worse, because they are an attacking team, playing in an attacking championship and we are ... were ... Juventus...
-Right after ZZ left, we got the young Neddy and we were occasionally using CMs+DMs with the support of the two world class wingers, Camo+Neddy
That was enough to win the championship in Italy
And
Capello thought that, with such an ultra solid defense, adding two solid DMs, the best defense in the world could cope with everything out there,
we were defending until our wingers win the game for us.
There is NOTHING in common with that team,
we are so Neddy depended, even today, that we cant win a game without him, but Neddy isnt the same anymore, he is about to retire ffs and Camo has his problems too. But must important,
our defense cant cope anymore, therefore we cant stay back, trust our defense and expect our adversary to make the mistake.
Using this tactic we got owned many times over,
even with Capellos team and the best defense in the world,
using the same tactic with Chimenti, Molinaro and Knezesmth can be catastrophic!!!
We will have to rely to our hopeless long balls again, a tactic that is efficient for EPL teams, but not for us. A tactic that is considered predictable and ugly,
a tactic that we are not properly equipped to use in a high class competition. I will hate to see us becoming like that, it would destroy everything what Juve represented in my heart, i became a Juve supporter because of the beauty of our tactical game. This tactic will lead us nowhere, no spectacle for me, neither results for the rest of the fans.
In this new era, our managers said that they will sacrifice the results for the spectacle and they will build a new offensive Juve,
because they want to bring the fans back and they promised 200mil available for transfers, to fulfill this team in their 5 year plan.
If this is what they had in mind, it means
we are either
turning into a pitiful copy of EPL teams, or we are going to use a new CM/AMF again, i would def prefer the second one...
But it seems to be unlikely and you can know understand why i hate this system and the importance of the signs im seeing all these years...
Welcome DonnaMolinaro, interesting choice of nick
Everybody has his biases, when our biases tend to disagree they become more evident to our eyes, but this shouldnt cancel our previous arguments and common ground, we should build upon it!
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