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[Turk_Bianconero]

So, you agree with me now?

So, you agree with me now? Press is allowed to do here as they couldn't in usa. But apparently Erdogan is a dictator while USA is best democracy in the world. There are photos of USA soldiers fighting in Syria with PYD logos on their uniform. PYD is Syrian wing of PKK which caused uncomparably more amount of damage here
than what daesh and likes caused in western countries. Today as we are speaking here, do you know what clownery is going on European Parliament?

http://www.dailysabah.com/eu-affair...-groups-on-display-at-the-european-parliament

I wonder how would their media would react if we had a al qaeda exhibiton here. Witnessing this treachery every single day, this is why we are pissed about west and this why the only reaction you would get from people this nation is ''fuck off'' when you accuse elected government of totalitarianism. You will never hear this from officials but people are perfectly aware of the fact Fetullah can't go and take a pee without the permission of USA government. This coup attempt was a work of USA government, they have tried to turn place into Egypt where thousands of supporters of elected government have been massacred by pro-israeli army. They have tried to imprison millions of people under a brutal minority dictatorship where jets bought by the taxes paid by people are raining death from sky. People have every right to be pissed about these countries whom did never respected our sovereignty and tried to sabotage us every single time they get the chance and the words they use against us like ''freedom of speech'' while doing so. There is no guarantee i will not be bombed in my house, fuck freedom of speech.

 

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[Seven]

You didn't say which cases of jailed people you were referring to. There certainly are cases in which jail is appropriate. For example, urging people to commit murder for the crime of drawing cartoons, or for the crime of writing a book, as in the case of Salman Rushdie.

Urging people to commit murder is something else. Like I said, I'm talking about people who celebrate the attacks.

I'm not blaming the judges. I believe our society has become too autocratic. Lawyers actually benefit from that.

Autocratic in what sense? Judicial power?

 

[Juliano13]

So, you agree with me now? Press is allowed to do here as they couldn't in usa. But apparently Erdogan is a dictator while USA is best democracy in the world. There are photos of USA soldiers fighting in Syria with PYD logos on their uniform. PYD is Syrian wing of PKK which caused uncomparably more amount of damage here
than what daesh and likes caused in western countries. Today as we are speaking here, do you know what clownery is going on European Parliament?

http://www.dailysabah.com/eu-affair...-groups-on-display-at-the-european-parliament

I wonder how would their media would react if we had a al qaeda exhibiton here. Witnessing this treachery every single day, this is why we are pissed about west and this why the only reaction you would get from people this nation is ''fuck off'' when you accuse elected government of totalitarianism. You will never hear this from officials but people are perfectly aware of the fact Fetullah can't go and take a pee without the permission of USA government. This coup attempt was a work of USA government, they have tried to turn place into Egypt where thousands of supporters of elected government have been massacred by pro-israeli army. They have tried to imprison millions of people under a brutal minority dictatorship where jets bought by the taxes paid by people are raining death from sky. People have every right to be pissed about these countries whom did never respected our sovereignty and tried to sabotage us every single time they get the chance and the words they use against us like ''freedom of speech'' while doing so. There is no guarantee i will not be bombed in my house, fuck freedom of speech.

Unlike PKK, PYD are not terrorists. They are the most reasonable opposition to Assad in Syria. Just because Erdogan bombs them, doesn't make them terrorists.

 

[ReBeL]

This is another time where Turkish people proved again that they are free people who will not accept USA and its allies controlling them again.

Congratulations, Turk.

 

[Juliano13]

Urging people to commit murder is something else. Like I said, I'm talking about people who celebrate the attacks.

I'll ask for the thirds time: which specific cases are you referring to? Who was jailed for "simply celebrating"? It's hard for me to even imagine a way of publicly celebrating terrorist attacks that does not involve urging people to commit murder.

 

[ReBeL]

Unlike PKK, PYD are not terrorists. They are the most reasonable opposition to Assad in Syria. Just because Erdogan bombs them, doesn't make them terrorists.

PYD are allying with Assad gangs, Juliano. Just look at the map of their control in Hasaka province in the northern east of Syria and in the north Western side of Aleppo. They are very good allies.

 

[Seven]

I'll ask for the thirds time: which specific cases are you referring to? Who was jailed for "simply celebrating"? It's hard for me to even imagine a way of publicly celebrating terrorist attacks that does not involve urging people to commit murder.

First of all, you haven't asked me for a specific case at all. You've asked me for a category of a crime. Jesus, you're dense.

Usually it's celebrating in a supermarket. Here is one example:

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160325_02203882

There was another as recent as last week, but I can't be bothered to look it up, because frankly you're not worth that much time.

 

[Juliano13]

PYD are allying with Assad gangs, Juliano. Just look at the map of their control in Hasaka province in the northern east of Syria and in the north Western side of Aleppo. They are very good allies.

How so? Because they have taken control of parts of the country that makes them allies to Assad?

 

[Hængebøffer]

Urging people to commit murder is something else. Like I said, I'm talking about people who celebrate the attacks.




Autocratic in what sense? Judicial power?

Yes.

 

[Hængebøffer]

This is another time where Turkish people proved again that they are free people who will not accept USA and its allies controlling them again.

Congratulations, Turk.

Free people? You are deluded as fuck.

 

[Seven]

Yes.

To an extent I can see that. For example in Belgium if you committed murder, in the past a jury would decide your case. As of this year, you might be judged by three professional judges. And instead of the trial taking two weeks, it might be decided in just one day. I have to admit I don't like that evolution at all, if we might lock away a person for 30 odd years, there should be a proper trial.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

I was and am against a coup, and as I said the fact that anti-government politicians, journalists and people condemned the coup was a sign of civilian maturity in Turkey in my opinion. This however doesn't prove that the coup was not staged, right? I'm not saying it was, but I suspect it was. I may be wrong. What I linked was an interesting take on the incident. What I want to link below is another interesting piece that you may fine disturbing. I warned you.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...term=Autofeed&CMP=fb_cif#link_time=1468796041

i read it. usual bullshit nothing is disturbing other than what are you trying to achieve while disrespecting the martyrs.
you are very well aware of the fact those ''independent guardians'' were so ready to pop their champagne bottles, this article is full of bitterness, they can't even hide it.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/07/16/turkeys-last-hope-dies.html

 

[king Ale]

Free people? You are deluded as fuck.

 

[Juliano13]

First of all, you haven't asked me for a specific case at all. You've asked me for a category of a crime. Jesus, you're dense.

Usually it's celebrating in a supermarket. Here is one example:

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160325_02203882

There was another as recent as last week, but I can't be bothered to look it up, because frankly you're not worth that much time.

Do you even read your sources?

"A 36-year-old Tunisian Bruges has landed back in jail after he was going to celebrate the attacks in Brussels Tuesday in a supermarket in Bruges. Souphiane O. was previously in jail after he threatened to stabbing another supermarket fire because the store sells the magazine Charlie Hebdo.
O. made Tuesday in a supermarket joy dances and called the victims of the attacks there himself had requested. Thus he violated conditions that were imposed on him earlier. He went back to jail. The pantry extended his arrest Friday afternoon a month." - Google translate coz I can't read that shit..

The threatened to stab the supermarket clerk for selling Charlie Hebdo, he was arrested and paroled. Then he went to another supermarket to "celebrate" the attacks claiming the victims deserved it. And you are outraged this guy was arrested again for violating his parole?!

This is why I call you a terrorist apologist.

 

[ReBeL]

How so? Because they have taken control of parts of the country that makes them allies to Assad?

They are controlling the same areas. Their forces are overlapping, and only limited clashes take place between them from time to time. It seems Assad promised them that he will allow them to have their areas if this revolution is over.

Free people? You are deluded as $#@!.

Yes, they are free people whether you like it or not. They did not accept some military idiots to control their lives again and again, and went out to streets to prove to everybody in the world that they deserve to be free under their democratically elected leadership.

 

[Hængebøffer]

To an extent I can see that. For example in Belgium if you committed murder, in the past a jury would decide your case. As of this year, you might be judged by three professional judges. And instead of the trial taking two weeks, it might be decided in just one day. I have to admit I don't like that evolution at all, if we might lock away a person for 30 odd years, there should be a proper trial.

Not my point. We believe law is securing us freedom, but it's not true. Your example is a good point.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Yes, they are free people whether you like it or not. They did not accept some military idiots to control their lives again and again, and went out to streets to prove to everybody in the world that they deserve to be free under their democratically elected leadership.

They are not. A democratic elected fascist doesn't change that. Hitler was elected too.

 

[Seven]

Do you even read your sources?

"A 36-year-old Tunisian Bruges has landed back in jail after he was going to celebrate the attacks in Brussels Tuesday in a supermarket in Bruges. Souphiane O. was previously in jail after he threatened to stabbing another supermarket fire because the store sells the magazine Charlie Hebdo.
O. made Tuesday in a supermarket joy dances and called the victims of the attacks there himself had requested. Thus he violated conditions that were imposed on him earlier. He went back to jail. The pantry extended his arrest Friday afternoon a month." - Google translate coz I can't read that shit..

The threatened to stab the supermarket clerk for selling Charlie Hebdo, he was arrested and paroled. Then he went to another supermarket to "celebrate" the attacks claiming the victims deserved it. And you are outraged this guy was arrested again for violating his parole?!

This is why I call you a terrorist apologist.

Do you understand the word previously? These are two seperate incidents.

For the last fucking time, I'm not a terorist apologist. In fact, I'm highly critical of Islam as a whole and I think believing in any deity whatsoever is just plain stupid. So cut that shit out, because it's going to get you in a heap of trouble if you don't.

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Not my point. We believe law is securing us freedom, but it's not true. Your example is a good point.

Of course law doesn't secure freedom. Law provides protection.

 

[ReBeL]

They are not. A democratic elected fascist doesn't change that. Hitler was elected too.

And who is the objective person in the world to judge that this leader is a fascist and this leader is a peace dove?

 

[Juliano13]

Do you understand the word previously? These are two seperate incidents.

The point is DO YOU understand? I know they are 2 incidents, he was out on parole.

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So cut that shit out, because it's going to get you in a heap of trouble if you don't.

Coming from a terrorist apologist, that worries me.