We should always put ourselves in the best possible position to compete - that midfield fails to accomplish that. It's really that simple.
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We want to lower the wage bill but want to give Milik 5m net too? Makes no sense.
Anyway, Alcantara would be the only one with high wages. He earns around 13m gross at Bayern, that's only slightly higher than Ramsey, Rabiot and Costa for example.
Partey earns 3.6m GROSS at Atletico. He wants to go to freaking Arsenal who are offering double the wages. We could triple that and still not feel it.
Aouar has 1.5m gross. We could quintuple that and not feel it.
People don't realize how high our wage bill has gotten. Only midfielders that earn more than our worst ones are top class guys like KDB, Pogba, Kante, Kroos etc.
Anyway, Alcantara would be the only one with high wages. He earns around 13m gross at Bayern, that's only slightly higher than Ramsey, Rabiot and Costa for example.
Partey earns 3.6m GROSS at Atletico. He wants to go to freaking Arsenal who are offering double the wages. We could triple that and still not feel it.
Aouar has 1.5m gross. We could quintuple that and not feel it.
People don't realize how high our wage bill has gotten. Only midfielders that earn more than our worst ones are top class guys like KDB, Pogba, Kante, Kroos etc.
Milik would be replacing Higuain who is on what 7,5 m ? Hence slimming down...
And all of those others mentioned guys would want a salary increase. A bag of millions for a permanently injured player like Alcantara (who I actually like as a player) would be like Khedira all over.
Aouar and Partey would maybe be possible but not the both of them. It's not football manager here; moving players on is hard business.
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Emre Can, yes. That was the previous book year, pal.
And all of those others mentioned guys would want a salary increase. A bag of millions for a permanently injured player like Alcantara (who I actually like as a player) would be like Khedira all over.
Aouar and Partey would maybe be possible but not the both of them. It's not football manager here; moving players on is hard business.
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Emre Can, yes. That was the previous book year, pal.
It is only hard business when you make it hard business. We've done it in the past - 10 players out, 10 players in. City when Pep came, Inter last summer, it's not rocket science.
But the truth is I don't think our management thinks this midfield is as bad as fans do. They've overhauled defense and attack in years past but keep avoiding the midfield. Either they don't think it's as bad or as important for success.
But the truth is I don't think our management thinks this midfield is as bad as fans do. They've overhauled defense and attack in years past but keep avoiding the midfield. Either they don't think it's as bad or as important for success.
Ok I don't speak for you. You're telling me you'd be happy with Arthur and Bentancur as our best mids next season then? If not who'd you target then?
No it isn't better man, come on. RM midfield won 4/5 CLs. Didn't even mention a player like Isco or even James who was great for 2 years for them. Bayern's midfield went to 3 finals in 4 years and won one. Just on longevity alone they're better.
No it isn't better man, come on. RM midfield won 4/5 CLs. Didn't even mention a player like Isco or even James who was great for 2 years for them. Bayern's midfield went to 3 finals in 4 years and won one. Just on longevity alone they're better.
First and foremost i want a coach with a clear plan and charisma to get the players to buy into it. Ideally i want us to get kante/kroos but how realistical is that of the only way we can recruit more is through trades, plus I'm pretty sure we got to get rid of some high wages before we can new ones.
Player by player i really think ours was better, which goes back to confirm my point that the unit and the scheme it operates under is what really matters. And i also believe that with that mid we would have beaten madrid in the final.
Player by player i really think ours was better, which goes back to confirm my point that the unit and the scheme it operates under is what really matters. And i also believe that with that mid we would have beaten madrid in the final.
Achievements are the whole point of the sport. You don't win 4/5 CLs by chance. No one's gonna talk about Figo, Beckham and other Galacticos when they underachieved massively.
Yeah if we go name by name maybe it's close. And yeah we maybe beat RM in Cardiff with MVPP at their best. But unfortunately it doesn't work that way. You can't just ignore context and go through time and pick and choose when our mids were at their best and put them against other mids. Pirlo was on his last legs in 14/15, Marchisio basically retired by the time we faced RM in the final, Vidal and Pogba underachieved when they left. Quality of the midfield isn't just the names but how well they fit together and how long they stay together and what they win.
But ok, for the sake of the argument let's say that MVPP were better than all recent mids except Barca - do you think Arthur and Bentancur and Kulusevski reach the standard of RM and Bayern midfields? Not even close.
We wanna laugh and complain all day about Paratici and the bad state of our midfield but then when presented with a choice of holding up the standards and demanding better players we still accept something lesser now because of hope it might be better later.
Yeah if we go name by name maybe it's close. And yeah we maybe beat RM in Cardiff with MVPP at their best. But unfortunately it doesn't work that way. You can't just ignore context and go through time and pick and choose when our mids were at their best and put them against other mids. Pirlo was on his last legs in 14/15, Marchisio basically retired by the time we faced RM in the final, Vidal and Pogba underachieved when they left. Quality of the midfield isn't just the names but how well they fit together and how long they stay together and what they win.
But ok, for the sake of the argument let's say that MVPP were better than all recent mids except Barca - do you think Arthur and Bentancur and Kulusevski reach the standard of RM and Bayern midfields? Not even close.
We wanna laugh and complain all day about Paratici and the bad state of our midfield but then when presented with a choice of holding up the standards and demanding better players we still accept something lesser now because of hope it might be better later.
i think where we differ is our perception of what kind of players we can bring in based on our current finances. You think we can drop 50 in cash i think we can't, but i guess we will wait and see.
Would be stupidity to ship Ronaldo unless we can get a player of similar commercial visibility of which there are none really.
Ronaldo is a reference point on a sporting as well as on a commercial level and you dont ship him off just because some dud coach is unable to adjust his tactics to suit the personnel of the squad.
Ronaldo is a reference point on a sporting as well as on a commercial level and you dont ship him off just because some dud coach is unable to adjust his tactics to suit the personnel of the squad.
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