[SPA] La Liga 2009/2010 (15 Viewers)

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,140
Class player, who brings so much to Chelsea. And I really believe he is more indespensable to them than Drogba.

By the way, where do you get these stats?- the ones I have are not so clear.

Any stats on Amauri?
There are freaks on wikipedia who day by day update the stats of their favorite players.
I know one who does that for Shevchenko.

For the last season I always check the EPL official thread, but for the previous seasons I use wikipedia who are very accurate in these cases.

On Amauri check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amauri

But they don't have good stats about his seasons in Switzerland.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,140
Drogba's goals came in the FA Cup and the Carling Cup though, thats what makes him closer to Torres, yet he was very disappointing in the league.
Oh, fine, I won't even count the cups (but i don't understand why shouldn't we count the goals he scored in the FA final against Everton or the FA semifinal against Arsenal) and still the difference isn't as huge as you're presenting it to be.
Torres had more starts overall and he scored 7 goals more than Drogba. Hardly a huge difference.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,112
Last 4 seasons (including this one)

Drogba scored 76 goals on 150 matches
Torres scored 75 goals on 136 matches

Yes, Torres is a little better (0.55 per match, while Drogba has 0.50).
Add the assists and you have a draw.
You have to count competitions like the FA Cup and the Carling Cup to make Drogba look closer to Torres. While in the more important championships like the league and the CL, Torres regularly outscores Drogba.

Of course Drogba always scores more goals in the CL, he's great there, but when you count the two together you will find that Torres has outscored him by a margin in the past 3 seasons.
 

RavaneVialli

Senior Member
Jan 27, 2008
863
There are freaks on wikipedia who day by day update the stats of their favorite players.
I know one who does that for Shevchenko.

For the last season I always check the EPL official thread, but for the previous seasons I use wikipedia who are very accurate in these cases.

On Amauri check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amauri

But they don't have good stats about his seasons in Switzerland.
I, for example, update Molinaro's successful crosses.
 
Sep 1, 2002
12,745
There are freaks on wikipedia who day by day update the stats of their favorite players.
I know one who does that for Shevchenko.

For the last season I always check the EPL official thread, but for the previous seasons I use wikipedia who are very accurate in these cases.

On Amauri check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amauri

But they don't have good stats about his seasons in Switzerland.
Thank you, but yours have averages, and are so much easier to read.

Amauri is that poor!
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,112
Oh, fine, I won't even count the cups (but i don't understand why shouldn't we count the goals he scored in the FA final against Everton or the FA semifinal against Arsenal) and still the difference isn't as huge as you're presenting it to be.
Torres had more starts overall and he scored 7 goals more than Drogba. Hardly a huge difference.
No you're actually right about the goals against Everton and Arsenal. But Torres team was knocked out by Everton early on in the competition.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,808
Stats can be useful but mentionning them alone is bit weird, I watch EPL weekly, and since Torres has gone to Liverpool, has been undeniably superior player to Drogba, aslong as he has been healthy, he has shown more quality, the very much needed edge to win you games and utterly punish defenders. Drogba has been more impressive in CL, and he has a knack for big games. But even though not some big difference, its still been clear he has been superior. He is inferior to Villa and Ibra alone, as strikers go.


Btw Bianconero, didnt say Villa doesnt have skill, he has lots of it, just said Zlatan has more skill, which he clearly does.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,112
Stats can be useful but mentionning them alone is bit weird, I watch EPL weekly, and since Torres has gone to Liverpool, has been undeniably superior player to Drogba, aslong as he has been healthy, he has shown more quality, the very much needed edge to win you games and utterly punish defenders. Drogba has been more impressive in CL, and he has a knack for big games. But even though not some big difference, its still been clear he has been superior. He is inferior to Villa and Ibra alone, as strikers go.


Btw Bianconero, didnt say Villa doesnt have skill, he has lots of it, just said Zlatan has more skill, which he clearly does.
Agreed. :tup:

I would think it was pretty obvious that ever since Torres has come to Liverpool he has been the superior player. Never really bothered to check stats, but watching both teams regularly really should take you to that conclusion.

I actually think that most of the people who follow the EPL would say that Torres has clearly been better in the past 3 seasons(not counting this one).
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,140
You have to count competitions like the FA Cup and the Carling Cup to make Drogba look closer to Torres.
In the last 3 seasons Drogba scored a total of 6 goals in the FA and Carling cup (on 11 matches). Torres scored 4 on 7 matches (and Drogba scored one of those 6 goals this year).

So no, these cups aren't the reason why is Drogba closer to Torres. And as I said, Drogba scored many of these Cup goals in the final or the semifinal against some good or great EPL teams (including Arsenal).
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,140
Agreed. :tup:

I would think it was pretty obvious that ever since Torres has come to Liverpool he has been the superior player. Never really bothered to check stats, but watching both teams regularly really should take you to that conclusion.

I actually think that most of the people who follow the EPL would say that Torres has clearly been better in the past 3 seasons(not counting this one).
But watch the overall game of both of them. You seem to me like someone who only looks at the goals Torres scores.
When you count the goals+assists, you'll get more or less the same result.

And I really don't understand why Drogba's greatness in the CL isn't considered as a factor when we make the comparison.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,808
I actually appriciate Drogba's type of game alot and you should give him more credit Fred, used to stick up for him when he was being told to be useless in his first EPL seasons when he wasnt scoring enough, and been deemed average, when he was anything but (except goals, clearly improved later on, used to miss alot in the past), because he was TOTALLY dominating in targetplay nontheless, he open up space for his teammates alot, assisted with sheer force, flicks with his head, opening up space perfectly etc. Lampard fed off him alot.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,112
But watch the overall game of both of them. You seem to me like someone who only looks at the goals Torres scores.
When you count the goals+assists, you'll get more or less the same result.

And I really don't understand why Drogba's greatness in the CL isn't considered as a factor when we make the comparison.
It is considered of course. The whole point i was trying to make when bringing up just the EPL was to show you how inconsistent Drogba has been in the past few seasons. Last season you tuned in to watch Chelsea in the EPL every week and you'd see an average Drogba almost every week(when he played).

I actually appriciate Drogba's type of game alot and you should give him more credit Fred, used to stick up for him when he was being told to be useless in his first EPL seasons when he wasnt scoring enough, and been deemed average, when he was anything but (except goals, clearly improved later on, used to miss alot in the past), because he was TOTALLY dominating in targetplay nontheless, he open up space for his teammates alot, assisted with sheer force, flicks with his head, opening up space perfectly etc. Lampard fed off him alot.
I do give him credit, it just looks like i'm not giving him enough because i was trying to show how he isn't at the level of Villa, Zlatan and Torres. I would even say Eto'o is a better striker and has had the better career, even on the international level, Eto'o has been better in African Cups. Other than those 4, i'd say no other striker is better than Drogba.
 

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