[SPA] La Liga 2009/2010 (6 Viewers)

[Alen]

ouch, knockout by Alenstats

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Villa:

2002/2003 ---- 40 matches - 20 goals
2003/2004 ---- 46 matches - 20 goals
2004/2005 ---- 46 matches - 18 goals
2005/2006 ---- 45 matches - 28 goals
2006/2007 ---- 47 matches - 21 goals
2007/2008 ---- 41 matches - 22 goals
2008/2009 ---- 40 matches - 31 goals
2009/2010 ---- 15 matches - 12 goals

TOTAL ---- 320 matches - 172 goals
On average: 0.53 goals per match​

Zlatan:

2002/2003 ---- 41 matches - 21 goals
2003/2004 ---- 29 matches - 15 goals
2004/2005 ---- 48 matches - 19 goals
2005/2006 ---- 46 matches - 10 goals
2006/2007 ---- 36 matches - 15 goals
2007/2008 ---- 34 matches - 22 goals
2008/2009 ---- 49 matches - 29 goals
2009/2010 ---- 14 matches - 09 goals

TOTAL ---- 297 matches - 140 goals
On average: 0.47 goals per match​

They are all very very similar.

 

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[Nicholas]

Here is more:

Villa:

2002/2003 ---- 40 matches - 20 goals
2003/2004 ---- 46 matches - 20 goals
2004/2005 ---- 46 matches - 18 goals
2005/2006 ---- 45 matches - 28 goals
2006/2007 ---- 47 matches - 21 goals
2007/2008 ---- 41 matches - 22 goals
2008/2009 ---- 40 matches - 31 goals
2009/2010 ---- 15 matches - 12 goals

TOTAL ---- 320 matches - 172 goals
On average: 0.53 goals per match​

Zlatan:

2002/2003 ---- 41 matches - 21 goals
2003/2004 ---- 29 matches - 15 goals
2004/2005 ---- 48 matches - 19 goals
2005/2006 ---- 46 matches - 10 goals
2006/2007 ---- 36 matches - 15 goals
2007/2008 ---- 34 matches - 22 goals
2008/2009 ---- 49 matches - 29 goals
2009/2010 ---- 14 matches - 09 goals

TOTAL ---- 297 matches - 140 goals
On average: 0.47 goals per match​

They are all very very similar.

Alen could we get some assists stats?

 

[Fred]

Here is more:

Villa:

2002/2003 ---- 40 matches - 20 goals
2003/2004 ---- 46 matches - 20 goals
2004/2005 ---- 46 matches - 18 goals
2005/2006 ---- 45 matches - 28 goals
2006/2007 ---- 47 matches - 21 goals
2007/2008 ---- 41 matches - 22 goals
2008/2009 ---- 40 matches - 31 goals
2009/2010 ---- 15 matches - 12 goals

TOTAL ---- 320 matches - 172 goals
On average: 0.53 goals per match​

Zlatan:

2002/2003 ---- 41 matches - 21 goals
2003/2004 ---- 29 matches - 15 goals
2004/2005 ---- 48 matches - 19 goals
2005/2006 ---- 46 matches - 10 goals
2006/2007 ---- 36 matches - 15 goals
2007/2008 ---- 34 matches - 22 goals
2008/2009 ---- 49 matches - 29 goals
2009/2010 ---- 14 matches - 09 goals

TOTAL ---- 297 matches - 140 goals
On average: 0.47 goals per match​

They are all very very similar.

Without looking at the stats, i wouldn't be surprised if Zlatan and Villa were similar. Its a hard choice between both strikers and like i said it would be logical to say Zlatan is the best in the world.

But Drogba? Give me a fuckin break, he's nowhere near the worlds best.

 

[bianconero]

I Happen to rate Anelka As the better of the strikers at Chelsea.

 

[Nicholas]

Valencia finished in the lower half of the table on season no? and yet Villa still reached double figures. Also can we get Champions League and International stats.

 

[Fred]

Well he was much better last season, thats for sure. Drogba was average last season.

 

[Salvatore]

All you guys are forgetting Wayne Rooney, he is surely the best!

 

[Nicholas]

Anelka racked the goals up at Bolton too. That was quite an achievement.

 

[Alen]

Ya because that is really fair, comparing an 18 year old Torres to a 24 year old Drogba.

If you want to count their early careers, count Drogba ever since he was an 18 year old when he was virtually a nobody. At least Torres started for Athletico at that age, Drogba was flopping at Le Mans at that same age.

I think it would be fair to see how both players did in the EPL. Drogba scored just 5 league goals last season, and scored a mere 8 goals in another season. While Torres is regularly 14+.

Also watching both players in action i think its really obvious that as a striker and as a finisher Torres is much better.

You said he doesn't score double digits, I proved you wrong. You didn't mention EPL.
And why shouldn't the goals scored in CL count anyway so we'd get the full picture?

Anyway, age should make little difference. Some players improve with time, some don't. If Torres scored 20 goals when he was 19 it doesn't mean that he'll score 50 when he'll be 29.
I compared the last 8 seasons of all 4 players and I even included seasons in the goalfest that is the Dutch league or the Segunda division in Spain.

Drogba assists, works hard for his team. Many goals that Chelsea score are due to what Drogba did. He scored more than Torres on average, he assists much more, he works much harder and you call him inferior to Torres.

Get your facts straight.

 

[Alen]

Alen could we get some assists stats?

I'd gladly do that if I knew where to find them.

 

[Nicholas]

I'd gladly do that if I knew where to find them.

You call yourself the stat king . Joke mate, cheers anyway some interesting reading to be had.

 

[Fred]

You said he doesn't score double digits, I proved you wrong. You didn't mention EPL.
And why shouldn't the goals scored in CL count anyway so we'd get the full picture?

Anyway, age should make little difference. Some players improve with time, some don't. If Torres scored 20 goals when he was 19 it doesn't mean that he'll score 50 when he'll be 29.
I compared the last 8 seasons of all 4 players and I even included seasons in the goalfest that is the Dutch league or the Segunda division in Spain.

Drogba assists, works hard for his team. Many goals that Chelsea score are due to what Drogba did. He scored more than Torres on average, he assists much more, he works much harder and you call him inferior to Torres.

Get your facts straight.

Bullshit argument, and you're using stats that go in your favor only. Why don't you count Drogba's whole career. We'll see how good his average is when seasons he had in the Ligue are counted.

We can take this season by season. Ever since Torres has come to the EPL he has been much better than Drogba. I just looked it up, Drogba scored 5 goals last season, and he scored 8 goals the season before it.

Thats two straight seasons of mediocrity from him. Plus his performances were utter shit in the first half of last season. His first season with Chelsea he wasn't really that good either. Thats three of his 7 seasons with Chelsea where he was average.

Torres has been world class in all 3 seasons he has spent with Liverpool. But sure count the seasons where he was 18 but leave out the seasons when Droba was 18, as long as it works in your favor.

 

[Alen]

Alen could we get some assists stats?

This year Drogba has 8 assists while Torres has 1. (only in EPL)
Don't know about the others

 

[Fred]

Torres has been plagued by injuries this season, plus his team has been horrible. But ya, Drogba's overall game is better than Torres, he assists more than Torres does thats for sure. But Torres much superior goal scoring ability and his consistency relative to the hugely inconsistent Drogba is what makes him the much better player.

I mean really, would you want a striker that scores 8 league goals in one season and 5 league goals in the next? How come you are just brushing that aside like its acceptable for a supposedly world class striker to score that much in the league?

 

[Alen]

Bullshit argument, and you're using stats that go in your favor only. Why don't you count Drogba's whole career. We'll see how good his average is when seasons he had in the Ligue are counted.

We can take this season by season. Ever since Torres has come to the EPL he has been much better than Drogba. I just looked it up, Drogba scored 5 goals last season, and he scored 8 goals the season before it.

Thats two straight seasons of mediocrity from him. Plus his performances were utter shit in the first half of last season. His first season with Chelsea he wasn't really that good either. Thats three of his 7 seasons with Chelsea where he was average.

Torres has been world class in all 3 seasons he has spent with Liverpool. But sure count the seasons where he was 18 but leave out the seasons when Droba was 18, as long as it works in your favor.

Last year there was an idiot called Scolari who didn't even play Drogba. Drogba started only 15 matches in the EPL and he came in as a sub on 9 matches.
When Hiddink came Drogba started performing much better, especially in the CL.

And again you're ignoring the overall impact. Look at this season's assists stats. I won't be surprised if the difference in assists is similar in the previous years too.
Everyone works for Torres, Drogba works for everyone.


And at least you as an Arsenal fan should know how great Drogba is.

 

[Nicholas]

Last year there was an idiot called Scolari who didn't even play Drogba. Drogba started only 15 matches in the EPL and he came in as a sub on 9 matches.
When Hiddink came Drogba started performing much better, especially in the CL.

And again you're ignoring the overall impact. Look at this season's assists stats. I won't be surprised if the difference in assists is similar in the previous years too.
Everyone works for Torres, Drogba works for everyone.


And at least you as an Arsenal fan should know how great Drogba is.

It was indeed the Drogba show yesterday.

 

[Fred]

Last year there was an idiot called Scolari who didn't even play Drogba. Drogba started only 15 matches in the EPL and he came in as a sub on 9 matches.
When Hiddink came Drogba started performing much better, especially in the CL.

And again you're ignoring the overall impact. Look at this season's assists stats. I won't be surprised if the difference in assists is similar in the previous years too.
Everyone works for Torres, Drogba works for everyone.


And at least you as an Arsenal fan should know how great Drogba is.

Scolari didn't bench him, he was injured. So was Torres last season, mind you. They both made 24 appearances. Yet Torres scored 14 while Drogba only managed 5.

Drogba's overall play is better than Torres, but when it comes to goal scoring Drogba isn't really a great finisher, unlike Torres. The whole, Drogba works for the team is the argument every Drogba fan brings up. Thats right, Drogba does work extremely hard for his team, but he misses too many chances and he is too inconsistent.

As for the Arsenal fan bit, thats true, i have always said i'd rather we play against Messi than play against Drogba(i really mean it), but thats more a psychological thing than anything else.

 

[Osman]

Zlatan>Villa (or reverse based on current form, but picked Zlatan due to more skill) > Torres (since Pool time, not before) > Drogba (total beast at his best, but not consistent enough in maintaining this in a more long term period).


This season, of these players, would say Drogba been the best.

 

[Alen]

And about the age excuse you use.
Pavel Nedved played in the Czech league until he was 24. When he was 23 he scored only 6 goals all season.

Christian Vieri scored 7 goals for Atalanta when he was 23 and until he was 23 he played in serie B where he scored 26 goals on 86 matches.

Luis Figo played in Portugal until he was 23 and he scored 16 goals on 123 matches.

Zinedine Zidane was in France until he was 24 and Dugarry was considered a better and more expensive player. Zizou scored 6 goals in the season when he was 24.

Some players bloom later in their life or are discovered later in their life. So did Drogba. He wasn't great when he was 19, he is now.
Some do it earlier, like Torres, but it doesn't mean that they become 5 times better later in their life. Some keep the same high level.

Torres was better than Drogba when they were both kids, but even if you look at Torres' stats for Atletico you'll see that he scored 20 goals when he was 21, 13 when he was 22 and 15 when he was 23.
Then 33 when he was 24 and "only" 17 when he was 25 (almost the same number of matches he played in 07/08 and 08/09).

Torres scored 17 when he was 25, Drogba scored 21 when he was 25.
So what now?

 

[bianconero]

I agree with Fred here. Overall Torres has the edge, and given the fact he plays in a much weaker team than Drogba, is much more effective.

Stats on Anelka, anyone?