Word I hear is that River is going to be awarded a 3-0 victory. Boca is out, banned from all international competitions for a year, and won't be able to host a home match for two years.
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You certainly can. I can bring up many similar incidents involving River. The problem is endemic to footballing culture in Argentina.
But seriously man? What do you expect? Of course I'm going to shit on Boca for this incident. It happened yesterday. Not 20 years ago. Not 2 years ago. Not 2 months ago. Yesterday. Boca fans attacked River players, gave multiple players first degree chemical burns, burnt corneas in the eyes, respiratory problems, etc. Then they refused to leave the stadium or allow the River players to leave the stadium, threw garbage and other debris at them as they left a couple hours later under police protection. And yes, the Boca players and coach were arguing with River and the referee even after they knew what happened and the shape those 5 River players were in, asking for the game to continue.
SO yeah. I'm going to shit on Boca in the day or two following this incident. Just like you and other Boca fans shit all over River. You call us Riber all the time, and los putos del tablon.
Regardless, this incident will be moved on from, and I will enjoy watching River-Boca matches, and hope that this shit stops happening from both fan bases. And if the River fan-base does something like this, I'll shit all over River for it too.
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http://www.espnfc.com/copa-libertadores/58/blog/post/2450973/boca-juniors-river-plate-reflects-argentina-football
For ESPN this is quite a good article on the problem of violence in Argentine football in general.
But seriously man? What do you expect? Of course I'm going to shit on Boca for this incident. It happened yesterday. Not 20 years ago. Not 2 years ago. Not 2 months ago. Yesterday. Boca fans attacked River players, gave multiple players first degree chemical burns, burnt corneas in the eyes, respiratory problems, etc. Then they refused to leave the stadium or allow the River players to leave the stadium, threw garbage and other debris at them as they left a couple hours later under police protection. And yes, the Boca players and coach were arguing with River and the referee even after they knew what happened and the shape those 5 River players were in, asking for the game to continue.
SO yeah. I'm going to shit on Boca in the day or two following this incident. Just like you and other Boca fans shit all over River. You call us Riber all the time, and los putos del tablon.
Regardless, this incident will be moved on from, and I will enjoy watching River-Boca matches, and hope that this shit stops happening from both fan bases. And if the River fan-base does something like this, I'll shit all over River for it too.
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http://www.espnfc.com/copa-libertadores/58/blog/post/2450973/boca-juniors-river-plate-reflects-argentina-football
For ESPN this is quite a good article on the problem of violence in Argentine football in general.
I'm sorry for going over the top about it. Very exaggerated reaction in the heat of the moment on my part. Like you, I'd much rather have seen the rest of this match played out without incident, even if River had lost.
I don't know what to think about what CONMEBOL should do, thinking about from a calmer, more rational perspective. At some point they just need to crack down heavily on all this and force the clubs and politicians to do something about the violence in the stadia. Perhaps this is not the time.
Either way, whether the game is forfeited, or is replayed, it's very disappointing.
Yeah. That's my gut reaction, and the initial upset over the incident definitely had me saying ban Boca for a year or two from South American competition. It's just what the heck does that solve in the current climate, and with the lack of resolve to tackle any of the bigger issues behind it? I don't know. CONMEBOL and South American FAs have had so long to deal with this issue, to crack down gradually, and they really haven't done a thing, so to throw the book at Boca, out of the blue... it'd be pretty crazy... and it'd likely only make the situation worse, without some concerted effort in coordination with each country's FA to start cleaning this mess up. Escalating the situation seems absurd if it's just an isolated response.
It's a shame too, because Boca is a beast of a team this year, and likely will be next year too... The start of another cycle that will likely culminate with Tevez returning in 13 months.
It's really crap that River couldn't get their act together in the group stage (embarrassing) and this shit had to happen in the Round of 16.
It's a shame too, because Boca is a beast of a team this year, and likely will be next year too... The start of another cycle that will likely culminate with Tevez returning in 13 months.
It's really crap that River couldn't get their act together in the group stage (embarrassing) and this shit had to happen in the Round of 16.
A joke, as in not enough? Or too much?
I'm a River fan, and aside from initial outrage and overreaction on my part, context and precedent have to be taken into account. It's certainly bullshit coming from a European context. We'd probably be banned from European football for 5 years if we did this... but there isn't really precedent from CONMEBOL for crazy severe sanctions... Throwing the book at Boca would probably severely escalate an already tense and violent situation in Argentina. The Barras Bravas wield way too much power, and without some kind of concerted effort from all involved, a very severe (and appropriate) punishment probably would do nothing but cause chaos and rioting and even worse behaviour.
I'm not trying to condone CONMEBOL here, or the actions of Boca fans, but this has been going on for years in South America with CONMEBOL turning a blind eye for the most part. This should have been dealt with in the 90s and early 00s... or at least the process of escalating punishments for this stuff. But it wasn't because CONMEBOL is corrupt as hell as are the FAs of these countries. They make the Europeans look like angels. So, my point is, that CONMEBOL needs to gradually start giving harsher and harsher sanctions for this stuff and try to organize this in conjunction with the FAs and governments of each of these countries. Even FIFA can play a part, by threatening international competition bans... All this will hopefully get the gears moving in these countries to clean this shit up to some extent.
Sadly, it will probably never happen.
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Boca fans cut a hole in the tunnel where the players walk through and maced/pepper sprayed a half-dozen River Plate players as they came back on the pitch to start the 2nd half. 4 of them had first degree burns on their bodies from it, along with all of them having cornea inflammation and respiratory problems, that will take several days to recover from. They had to wait a couple hours to get them to a hospital as Boca fans wouldn't let them exit the pitch. After a couple hours enough riot police were organized to get them safely off the pitch, as fans pelted them with debris and garbage.
Insane scene.
I'm a River fan, and aside from initial outrage and overreaction on my part, context and precedent have to be taken into account. It's certainly bullshit coming from a European context. We'd probably be banned from European football for 5 years if we did this... but there isn't really precedent from CONMEBOL for crazy severe sanctions... Throwing the book at Boca would probably severely escalate an already tense and violent situation in Argentina. The Barras Bravas wield way too much power, and without some kind of concerted effort from all involved, a very severe (and appropriate) punishment probably would do nothing but cause chaos and rioting and even worse behaviour.
I'm not trying to condone CONMEBOL here, or the actions of Boca fans, but this has been going on for years in South America with CONMEBOL turning a blind eye for the most part. This should have been dealt with in the 90s and early 00s... or at least the process of escalating punishments for this stuff. But it wasn't because CONMEBOL is corrupt as hell as are the FAs of these countries. They make the Europeans look like angels. So, my point is, that CONMEBOL needs to gradually start giving harsher and harsher sanctions for this stuff and try to organize this in conjunction with the FAs and governments of each of these countries. Even FIFA can play a part, by threatening international competition bans... All this will hopefully get the gears moving in these countries to clean this shit up to some extent.
Sadly, it will probably never happen.
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Boca fans cut a hole in the tunnel where the players walk through and maced/pepper sprayed a half-dozen River Plate players as they came back on the pitch to start the 2nd half. 4 of them had first degree burns on their bodies from it, along with all of them having cornea inflammation and respiratory problems, that will take several days to recover from. They had to wait a couple hours to get them to a hospital as Boca fans wouldn't let them exit the pitch. After a couple hours enough riot police were organized to get them safely off the pitch, as fans pelted them with debris and garbage.
Insane scene.
It's nothing new, in fact any Brazilian who kniws 2 shits about the Seleção knew this was happening. We couldn't prove it but it was so damn obvious.
Remember the olympics how i said some players were only called by Menezes to be part of the showcase to get (European) clubs interested?
The Brazilian Football federation has sold it's soul a long time ago but be sure it isn't the only one in the world. If only we knew everything that happens behind the curtains in the Football world, it's couldn't be any dirtier.
Remember the olympics how i said some players were only called by Menezes to be part of the showcase to get (European) clubs interested?
The Brazilian Football federation has sold it's soul a long time ago but be sure it isn't the only one in the world. If only we knew everything that happens behind the curtains in the Football world, it's couldn't be any dirtier.
Is this a fucking joke?
They escape a competition ban, they have to only play 4 home matches behind closed doors, and they get tossed from a Copa Libertadores tie they were 45 minutes from being knocked out of anyways, and they're going to exhaust all resources to get the sanctions overturned and the match continued. Even appealing to FIFA now that CONMEBOL has rejected their appeal. Ridiculous. Show some humility and accept your "lenient" punishment.
There's even rumour that FIFA is pissed that a harsher punishment wasn't levied, and is considering stripping South America of the World Cup playoff spot for 2018...
From the Buenos Aires Herald:
And Boca wants to appeal the sanctions all the way to FIFA.
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Boca is just being classless at this point.
Arruabarena insisting that the match continue to the ref even after seeing the burns inflicted on River players, and the obvious difficulty they were under with burning eyes and bodies. River players even lifted off their shirts to show the burns on their bodies.
Then the Boca players, immediately after the River players were pelted with garbage as they left the pitch, turned and applauded these disgusting assholes in the stands.
Boca Centre Back Daniel Diaz said the next day on TV that "it would seem logical to play on". Is he retarded? He knew what happened, that the players could hardly see, and had burns on their bodies. 4 River starters were in this condition. They couldn't have even made subs to finish the match.
And now this appeal of sanctions that are considered by most to be very lenient...
A complete joke.
They escape a competition ban, they have to only play 4 home matches behind closed doors, and they get tossed from a Copa Libertadores tie they were 45 minutes from being knocked out of anyways, and they're going to exhaust all resources to get the sanctions overturned and the match continued. Even appealing to FIFA now that CONMEBOL has rejected their appeal. Ridiculous. Show some humility and accept your "lenient" punishment.
There's even rumour that FIFA is pissed that a harsher punishment wasn't levied, and is considering stripping South America of the World Cup playoff spot for 2018...
From the Buenos Aires Herald:
And Boca wants to appeal the sanctions all the way to FIFA.
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Boca is just being classless at this point.
Arruabarena insisting that the match continue to the ref even after seeing the burns inflicted on River players, and the obvious difficulty they were under with burning eyes and bodies. River players even lifted off their shirts to show the burns on their bodies.
Then the Boca players, immediately after the River players were pelted with garbage as they left the pitch, turned and applauded these disgusting assholes in the stands.
Boca Centre Back Daniel Diaz said the next day on TV that "it would seem logical to play on". Is he retarded? He knew what happened, that the players could hardly see, and had burns on their bodies. 4 River starters were in this condition. They couldn't have even made subs to finish the match.
And now this appeal of sanctions that are considered by most to be very lenient...
A complete joke.
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