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[Salvo]

Don't sell guns to people on the terrorist watch list as a start

Govt has to force everyone to turn in their guns. Won't happen though as their would probably be a civil war and the NRA funding of political parties wouldn't let it happen.

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

There probably isn't one but Australia was pretty big on guns, however it took one mass shooting to put and end to that.

Not at all the same situation but I don't see the logic in allowing this to happen, inaction in this case is just as bad as directly giving these people a gun.

So how about changing the culture? Culture isn't inevitable.

I love how gun enthusiasts always try to make the other party sound unreasonable, yet the only real reason they have pro guns is strictly emotional. You just wanna have guns.

FYI I'm by no means a gun enthusiast, don't own them and have no plans of owning them, but knowing the context, anything i hear in terms of curbing this sounds simplistic and hardly well thought out

 

[Martin]

I thought we were discussing practical changes, also in not sure I'm comfortable with government administering ideology iv

Racism is a culture. Crime is a culture. Xenophobia is a culture.

 

[Salvo]

FYI I'm by no means a gun enthusiast, don't own them and have no plans of owning them, but knowing the context, anything i hear in terms of curbing this sounds simplistic and hardly well thought out

Downfall of having people turn in their guns?

Some people won't.

What happens to people that have spent thousands on their guns?

However it would still remove a hell of a lot of guns and surely help the problem.

How much money does the US make off gun sales a year? How many guns are American made.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Racism is a culture. Crime is a culture. Xenophobia is a culture.

How will you change this?:

 

[Martin]

How will you change this?:

Same way you change drunk driving or any other societal problem. Not by saying it can't be done.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Don't sell guns to people on the terrorist watch list as a start

Govt has to force everyone to turn in their guns. Won't happen though as their would probably be a civil war and the NRA funding of political parties wouldn't let it happen.

Federal government?? First they don't have the jurisdiction to do so, second you would be fulfilling the pro gun agenda prophecy

 

[Ocelot]

Tell me a culture similar to the US when it comes to guns

But large parts of that culture are detrimental to public safety and have to change. Not saying that it will be easy, but right now even the most basic & reasonable restrictions on gun sales don't pass, even if such measures actually get overwhelming support in polls, showing that even disregarding the culture and attitude of the public the NRA got congress on lockdown anyways.

One other small step the jurisdiction could take would be to stop the active encouragement of vigilantism by those ridiculous stand-your-ground laws.

 

[Lapa]

I love how gun enthusiasts always try to make the other party sound unreasonable, yet the only real reason they have pro guns is strictly emotional. You just wanna have guns.

Tell me a culture similar to the US when it comes to guns

There is no reason to own a gun. Guns ain't that cool. Went to a shooting range with my co-workers few weeks back, IT WAS FUCKING BORING AS HELL! Was waiting all the time when can we leave and go out drinking. It was probably my first time after army days that I used a real gun. And yes, it was boring.

 

[icemaη]

Why is there a ban on gun violence research?

 

[Martin]

Why is there a ban on gun violence research?

Safety reasons. It could lead to a reduction in gunfire. Which would be dangerous.

 

[Ocelot]

Why is there a ban on gun violence research?

Exactly.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Racism is a culture. Crime is a culture. Xenophobia is a culture.

And it's fine and legal to be racist

But large parts of that culture are detrimental to public safety and have to change. Not saying that it will be easy, but right now even the most basic & reasonable restrictions on gun sales don't pass, even if such measures actually get overwhelming support in polls, showing that even disregarding the culture and attitude of the public the NRA got congress on lockdown anyways.

One other small step the jurisdiction could take would be to stop the active encouragement of vigilantism by those ridiculous stand-your-ground laws.

The NRA just like all subversive special groups are killing the American political system, but that's a different subject altogether.

 

[Ocelot]

And it's fine and legal to be racist

But the government should still try to reduce racist attitudes. It's not like the state doesn't ever get involved actively in cultural/ideological matters.

 

[.zero]

Insightful.

50 Years of US Mass Shootings by Victims, Shooters, Guns & Districts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/

 

[.zero]

do we have any USA members left or did they all get shot

I had to leave to buy some more guns but I'm back now.

 

[Rollie]

No one should listen to Ted Cruz.

True. Of course, which republican frontrunner would any person with a moral compass, and half a brain in their head vote for? The people currently leading the pack are ludicrously bad examples of political candidates. One is calling for a wall to keep out the rapist Mexicans, and wants to institute a Muslim registry (Etc., etc.). Another thinks the pyramids were built as grain silos, and actually wants people to believe he once stabbed somebody (who was saved by their belt buckle) -- even though nobody can corroborate the story. It's like a bad joke. It would be great comedy -- if only the stakes weren't so high.

Why is there a ban on gun violence research?

http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra-kills-gun-violence-research-2013-1

I'm sure you know this Asif, but I'm going to rant a bit.

Many of the systemic problems in the States largely boil down to the amount of money involved in American politics. The gun lobby literally has the type of pull that they can actually influence the mandate of the CDC, and obstruct them from doing this type of research. If one wanted to design a corrupt 'democratic' electoral system, you would design it very similarly to Americas. Billions upon billions of special interest lobby dollars, that don't give a FUCK about the greater good of the people.

Americans believe in their TVs, they believe in their iPhones, but for some reason, a huge number of them refuse to believe that the scientific method can actually be applied to solve social problems like this, too. Observation --> Hypothesis --> Experiment --> Observation -- rinse and repeat, until effective change is accomplished. It's an iterative process, it can't happen all at once, it will get messy at times. The fact that it will be a bumpy process does not preclude the possibility for progress on what is currently an unacceptable reality.

So many Americans are resigned to the situation, and act like this is just the way it is, the way it always will be. It's so sad, and so infuriating -- particularly for those of us who live in such a similar culture, who are the product of an American and a Canadian, and who have so many loved ones in the States. I feel so helpless watching this ideological, institutionalized stupidity in action.

Reform of the electoral system is so important in this equation, hard to stress that enough.

 

[icemaη]

True. Of course, which republican frontrunner would any person with a moral compass, and half a brain in their head vote for? The people currently leading the pack are ludicrously bad examples of political candidates. One is calling for a wall to keep out the rapist Mexicans, and wants to institute a Muslim registry (Etc., etc.). Another thinks the pyramids were built as grain silos, and actually wants people to believe he once stabbed somebody (who was saved by their belt buckle) -- even though nobody can corroborate the story. It's like a bad joke. It would be great comedy -- if only the stakes weren't so high.



http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra-kills-gun-violence-research-2013-1

I'm sure you know this Asif, but I'm going to rant a bit.

Many of the systemic problems in the States largely boil down to the amount of money involved in American politics. The gun lobby literally has the type of pull that they can actually influence the mandate of the CDC, and obstruct them from doing this type of research. If one wanted to design a corrupt 'democratic' electoral system, you would design it very similarly to Americas. Billions upon billions of special interest lobby dollars, that don't give a FUCK about the greater good of the people.

Americans believe in their TVs, they believe in their iPhones, but for some reason, a huge number of them refuse to believe that the scientific method can actually be applied to solve social problems like this, too. Observation --> Hypothesis --> Experiment --> Observation -- rinse and repeat, until effective change is accomplished. It's an iterative process, it can't happen all at once, it will get messy at times. The fact that it will be a bumpy process does not preclude the possibility for progress on what is currently an unacceptable reality.

So many Americans are resigned to the situation, and act like this is just the way it is, the way it always will be. It's so sad, and so infuriating -- particularly for those of us who live in such a similar culture, who are the product of an American and a Canadian, and who have so many loved ones in the States. I feel so helpless watching this ideological, institutionalized stupidity in action.

Reform of the electoral system is so important in this equation, hard to stress that enough.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

@swag shirtless guy has a razorblade and what better way to stop him than to assault rifle his ass?

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/m...pect-on-alton-road-as-bystander-films-8096020

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Tbf he touched the cop's car, that's enough reason to get him bazooka'd.

 

[Martin]

Sure hope you have your hopes and prayers booklet ready for another round.