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[Enron]

That actually weakens your argument even more imo it is silly to try to import systems and mechanisms from other cultures, just as thinking those measures could 'fix' this problem.

I don't think so. I think it should be a requirement that terrorists purchase their weapons on the black market rather than walmart.

But you know what, maybe your right. Maybe the problem is unfixable. But hey, at least I'm actually disgusted by this. I live in a third world country right now and there is less of a chance that I get mowed down by an "active shooter" than in the US. Pretty sad actually.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Yeah, but they don't buy guns legally. And their gun deaths are within the normal spectrum of gun death. You know crime and $#@!.

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Yay, so what now? We sit on our hands and say to ourselves "glad it wasn't me". Yay America. So exceptional, so wow.

Well, first we can stop politicizing and celebrating mass shootings in the media. Two we could stop promoting terror across the world. That could be a start. The media solutions are not the right ones for a reason.

 

[Enron]

Well, first we can stop politicizing and celebrating mass shootings in the media. Two we could stop promoting terror across the world. That could be a start.

Sure, that's obvious. However, I doubt foreign policy was a big issue the fellow at Planned Parenthood. Crazy white folks in basements are as dangerous as angry muslims.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

There is no reasonable background check to sniff out 'terrorists', you may not get shot in Mexico but you might easily succumb to any of the typical third world system failures, i guess that's why more people want to move to the states as opposed to vice versa.
Ironically, the best and most efficient way to deal with this problem is actually to banalize it.

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Well, first we can stop politicizing and celebrating mass shootings in the media. Two we could stop promoting terror across the world. That could be a start. The media solutions are not the right ones for a reason.

right on

 

[Bjerknes]

Sure, that's obvious. However, I doubt foreign policy was a big issue the fellow at Planned Parenthood. Crazy white folks in basements are as dangerous as angry muslims.

Wasn't he some sort of leftist?

And do not shit on our roots!

 

[Enron]

Wasn't he some sort of leftist?

And do not shit on our roots!

If anti abortion is leftest then sure.

Not all basement people are terrorists.

 

[Bjerknes]

Here's another problem that could be easily solved.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2...ted-near-mexican-border-with-steel-cylinders/

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If anti abortion is leftest then sure.

Not all basement people are terrorists.

I heard that he was some crazy sort of leftist tranny. Not that they would be all bad.

 

[Enron]

There is no reasonable background check to sniff out 'terrorists', you may not get shot in Mexico but you might easily succumb to any of the typical third world system failures, i guess that's why more people want to move to the states as opposed to vice versa.
Ironically, the best and most efficient way to deal with this problem is actually to banalize it.

No, but you can make things difficult. There's nothing worse than hearing about terrorists buying guns legally and then going on a rampage. Talk about a system failure. That's gotta really smart to the families of the victims.

Yeah, I get you about Mexico. I'm going through some issues with that sort of stuff at the moment. However, that's expected because it's Mexico.

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I heard that he was some crazy sort of leftist tranny. Not that they would be all bad.

No one should listen to Ted Cruz.

 

[Bjerknes]

No, but you can make things difficult. There's nothing worse than hearing about terrorists buying guns legally and then going on a rampage. Talk about a system failure. That's gotta really smart to the families of the victims.

Yeah, I get you about Mexico. I'm going through some issues with that sort of stuff at the moment. However, that's expected because it's Mexico.

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No one should listen to Ted Cruz.

What sort of stuff? Feel free to message me off here.

 

[Hust]

There's a long gun loophole in the California law. Which is how these two were able to purchase their weapons.

You cannot prevent all mass shootings, this is obvious. But we really shouldn't make it easy for killers to purchase weapons legally.

Just cause these things are difficult to prevent doesn't mean we should sit on our hands and do nothing. The US is the only nation in the world with this frequency mass shootings, which should be unacceptable.

What was the loophole that allowed them to get the guns?

 

[Seven]

It's actually surprising that you, someone I consider to be intelligent, would have such a simpleton view on this matter. It's as if you think politicians can waive a magic wand and make the problems of the world suddenly disappear. There are all sorts of countries around the world that have strict gun laws and high homicide rates per capita. The US isn't Belgium or any other smaller European nation, so our problems are not homogenous. In Detroit, they are encouraging citizens to arm themselves, and we've actually witnessed quite a large drop in various crime. I'm sure to the dismay of many, this is a real-world example of deterrence, and not the prophecies of folks disconnected from reality.




What is the difference? Are you saying cops can't make poor choices, go postal, or have their weapons stolen? What about the US government shipping guns into Mexico, Syria, and Israel? Can they be trusted to administer gun laws for it's own citizens? Everybody else can be armed except for us?

Fat chance, dude. And good thing some folks here understand it.



Sure, but that wouldn't have stopped this terrorist attack. So why even discuss it?



It took a left-leaning paper to print a cover story about it for Americans to "catch on." Wow, give them a round of applause. "Long guns" (which the media started saying this time around) and prayers don't work, dude. Big fucking surprise that is.



Nobody is saying it is acceptable. But you won't change anything with the policies you propose, especially when you have a constant flow of "illegal" drugs and weapons across the borders, along with a government that ships arms around the world. If it was that simple, I would be all for it. But too many folks in this country simply parrot a Rachel Maddow script.

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In translation, this means you simply can't sell to anyone, because we're all guilty until proven innocent. How are you supposed to predict who's a killer or not? Is this Minority Report?

At the end of the day, you'll just have to implement an outright ban.

That's the thing. It is simple. Time and time again less guns have meant less gun deaths. It won't stop terrorism. It won't stop crime. But it will cause a significant decline in gun deaths. So to me it is a very easy and indeed simple decision to make.

 

[Ocelot]

That actually weakens your argument even more imo it is silly to try to import systems and mechanisms from other cultures, just as thinking those measures could 'fix' this problem.

So you're just saying that systems and mechanisms that have been proving to work in a lot of other (not that different) cultures would simply not work in the US without even having tried them? Not sure if that sounds reasonable to me

 

[Martin]

So you're just saying that systems and mechanisms that have been proving to work in a lot of other (not that different) cultures would simply not work in the US without even having tried them? Not sure if that sounds reasonable to me

It's an elegant argument. "It works elsewhere, therefore it will not work here."

Try to argue against that.

 

[Lapa]

Honestly, if the media didn't make such a big deal out of it, this thread wouldn't even exist.

So without media you guys wouldn't have any problems there?

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You guys still talk about right to carry guns...something that was written 239 years ago. That probably tells how much you guys have developed during all this time.

 

[Seven]

I love how gun enthusiasts always try to make the other party sound unreasonable, yet the only real reason they have pro guns is strictly emotional. You just wanna have guns.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

So you're just saying that systems and mechanisms that have been proving to work in a lot of other (not that different) cultures would simply not work in the US without even having tried them? Not sure if that sounds reasonable to me

Tell me a culture similar to the US when it comes to guns

 

[Salvo]

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There's a long gun loophole in the California law. Which is how these two were able to purchase their weapons.

You cannot prevent all mass shootings, this is obvious. But we really shouldn't make it easy for killers to purchase weapons legally.

Just cause these things are difficult to prevent doesn't mean we should sit on our hands and do nothing. The US is the only nation in the world with this frequency mass shootings, which should be unacceptable.

I dont understand how this wasn't in place by default. What's the logic in continuing to allow this happen?

 

[Salvo]

Tell me a culture similar to the US when it comes to guns

There probably isn't one but Australia was pretty big on guns, however it took one mass shooting to put and end to that.

Not at all the same situation but I don't see the logic in allowing this to happen, inaction in this case is just as bad as directly giving these people a gun.

 

[Martin]

Tell me a culture similar to the US when it comes to guns

So how about changing the culture? Culture isn't inevitable.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

There probably isn't one but Australia was pretty big on guns, however it took one mass shooting to put and end to that.

Not at all the same situation but I don't see the logic in allowing this to happen, inaction in this case is just as bad as directly giving these people a gun.

I have yet to hear a viable plan to curb this, most is just action to act, basically just more govt wasteful initiatives

So how about changing the culture? Culture isn't inevitable.

I thought we were discussing practical changes, also in not sure I'm comfortable with government administering ideology iv

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There probably isn't one but Australia was pretty big on guns, however it took one mass shooting to put and end to that.

Not at all the same situation but I don't see the logic in allowing this to happen, inaction in this case is just as bad as directly giving these people a gun.

I have yet to hear a viable plan to curb this, most is just action to act, basically just more govt wasteful initiatives

So how about changing the culture? Culture isn't inevitable.

I thought we were discussing practical changes, also in not sure I'm comfortable with government administering ideology iv