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Australia, relatively

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Emily Sears

 

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[Seven]

@Fr3sh...a lot of pedophiles and sex offenders are repeat offenders all of which have parole officers when they get out of jail/prison. Your position/argument is absolutely invalid because you can't monitor these offenders 100% of the time and if you could they wouldn't be repeat offenders now would they?

When you see a guy (or girl) get out...repeat the crime and get out again I don't think jail or rehabilitation is working so again, I maintain my stance. He will know that I know and life goes on for everyone.

Except it won't for the offender. He will become a marginalized frustrated figure. To add insult to injury we've let him leave jail and he's supposedly a free man who got a second chance. You guys have a cruel system that fucks with people's minds.

Also, most regular folks who buy a gun are in no way able to adequately defend their homes with it. You need at least some training to respond well to critical situations. Just buying a gun won't do you any good if you weigh over 300 pounds and have no skills whatsoever.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

let's keep it nice and clean boys

And also on topic

 

[Seven]

let's keep it nice and clean boys

And also on topic

I just hate him so much .

 

[Hust]

Except it won't for the offender. He will become a marginalized frustrated figure. To add insult to injury we've let him leave jail and he's supposedly a free man who got a second chance. You guys have a cruel system that fucks with people's minds.

Also, most regular folks who buy a gun are in no way able to adequately defend their homes with it. You need at least some training to respond well to critical situations. Just buying a gun won't do you any good if you weigh over 300 pounds and have no skills whatsoever.

wat?

Letting someone out of jail is adding insult to injury? He made his bed he needs to sleep in it now, regardless of the time he did in jail.

Yeah, he is a free man and he should be thankful for that. Additionally, there is a lot he could do to make up for it in society as well as his time spent in jail.

Giving someone 5-10 years for pedophilia or rape...letting them go after the time has expired or parole for good behavior FREE BACK INTO the world which he refused at an earlier point in time to abide by the law is adding insult to injury? I want to make sure there is no disconnect with how I interpreted your post.

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Do your last point: gun ranges. They are actually quite fun and there are many in the States. Many people that own guns are also hunters that know how to use their weapon.

I'd go as far to say some people I've known buy realistic looking fake guns to pull out in an emergency to try and scare someone away without actually having a real & loaded weapon.

Every single gun owner I know, friends or family, is experienced in using it including keeping them locked in a gun safe away from children with the ammunition hidden. The morons you hear in the news that somehow their kids got the gun is absolute irresponsibility on part of the parent or caretaker watching them (or not watching them apparently), not the fault of society.

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let's keep it nice and clean boys

And also on topic

I see Raz quoted me. Must have been a dandy of an insult or poke since you deleted it.

I don't know why that guy even bothers talking to me.

 

[Seven]

wat?

Letting someone out of jail is adding insult to injury? He made his bed he needs to sleep in it now, regardless of the time he did in jail.

Yeah, he is a free man and he should be thankful for that. Additionally, there is a lot he could do to make up for it in society as well as his time spent in jail.

Giving someone 5-10 years for pedophilia or rape...letting them go after the time has expired or parole for good behavior FREE BACK INTO the world which he refused at an earlier point in time to abide by the law is adding insult to injury? I want to make sure there is no disconnect with how I interpreted your post.

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I think you misunderstood. My point is not that letting them leave jail is adding insult to injury. It's that at that point it should be over. If you've served your time, that should be it. Of course if you get caught a second time the punishment will be more severe. But there's no point in letting them out of jail only to prevent them from having any semblance of a normal life by letting everyone know they're convicted pedophiles. It's a bad idea for the felon and it's a bad idea for the neighbourhood that will be plagued by paranoia.

Do your last point: gun ranges. They are actually quite fun and there are many in the States. Many people that own guns are also hunters that know how to use their weapon.

I'd go as far to say some people I've known buy realistic looking fake guns to pull out in an emergency to try and scare someone away without actually having a real & loaded weapon.

Every single gun owner I know, friends or family, is experienced in using it including keeping them locked in a gun safe away from children with the ammunition hidden. The morons you hear in the news that somehow their kids got the gun is absolute irresponsibility on part of the parent or caretaker watching them (or not watching them apparently), not the fault of society.

It doesn't stop at knowing how to handle a gun. If you're serious about defending yourself, you also need to learn about defensive and evasive tactics, you need to know when it's wise to use your gun and when it might not be.. If you want to be a Navy Seal, you have to train like one.

Also, I'm not saying you will leave your gun lying around the house. I'm sure you keep it locked away safe. But accidents can always happen. And they do. And even if you're responsible enough, someone else might not be.

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I see Raz quoted me. Must have been a dandy of an insult or poke since you deleted it.

I don't know why that guy even bothers talking to me.

Wasn't Raz. It was me hating Caitlyn Jenner.

 

[Hust]

I think you misunderstood.

Let me ask you this, then:

Is the guy who robbed a liquor store with a gun to feed his family in the same mental state in/during/after jail as that guy who raped a 12 year old who was waiting for her parents to pick her up from school?

My point is, one guy is obviously mentally ill, the other probably less so if at all. Both see out their jail time. Both are released and sent back into society with a fresh start at freedom. All things considered, don't you think the guy that raped the girl has a major screw loose than the guy who robbed the store? Both will likely be on parole but can't be watched 100% of the time. Which one would you rather feel more comfortable around and being let back into society?

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The point I am making is, the guy that is willing to rape a girl has some serious mental issues that are much harder to track than the other guy IMO which is why you can' always wait for law enforcement to act. You rob a store, the clerk/owner recovers his business maybe the money stolen and his life goes on. The girl that was raped carries that mentally/physically for the rest of her life. Naturally, as anyone who wants to ensure the safety of their family you would want that guy to know to mind his own business and we will do the same.

 

[Seven]

Let me ask you this, then:

Is the guy who robbed a liquor store with a gun to feed his family in the same mental state in/during/after jail as that guy who raped a 12 year old who was waiting for her parents to pick her up from school?

My point is, one guy is obviously mentally ill, the other probably less so if at all. Both see out their jail time. Both are released and sent back into society with a fresh start at freedom. All things considered, don't you think the guy that raped the girl has a major screw loose than the guy who robbed the store? Both will likely be on parole but can't be watched 100% of the time. Which one would you rather feel more comfortable around and being let back into society?

That is a completely different discussion. If the rapist is not in a place mentally where he will not be a danger to society, he should not be released and should instead be sent to a mental institution.

If he's released without any such measures though, it is not a good idea to let everyone know about his criminal record. It's simply impossible to build a life that way. And like I said, I don't think it serves the interests of the neigbourhood either.

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I guess what I'm trying to say is: if you make guns easy to obtain, glorify gun use and then inject high amounts of paranoia into your society, bad things will happen.

 

[Hust]

That is a completely different discussion. If the rapist is not in a place mentally where he will not be a danger to society, he should not be released and should instead be sent to a mental institution.

If he's released without any such measures though, it is not a good idea to let everyone know about his criminal record. It's simply impossible to build a life that way. And like I said, I don't think it serves the interests of the neigbourhood either.

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I guess what I'm trying to say is: if you make guns easy to obtain, glorify gun use and then inject high amounts of paranoia into your society, bad things will happen.

A.) Ensuring someone is ready mentally to face society is hard because the patient can lie, though. How can one ascertain they are ready and won't do it again? It happens all the time they go through the motions and are judged to be ready to face society and turn around and commit the same crime.

B.) I agree guns should be harder to get. Paranoia is here to stay, its in our founding documents via the 2nd amendment.

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(which is also here to stay )

 

[Seven]

A.) Ensuring someone is ready mentally to face society is hard because the patient can lie, though. How can one ascertain they are ready and won't do it again? It happens all the time they go through the motions and are judged to be ready to face society and turn around and commit the same crime.

B.) I agree guns should be harder to get. Paranoia is here to stay, its in our founding documents via the 2nd amendment.

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(which is also here to stay )

Oh, it's definitely hard to do. And it's almost impossible to know whether or not someone will commit a crime again. In the case of pedophiles I think that, perhaps, it is indeed likely that they will commit another crime.

But even so listing their criminal record is not a good option IMO. There's a reason why almost no country in the world does this you know.

As for making guns harder to get.. We are almost in agreement here I suppose. I never advocated banning guns entirely.

 

[Hust]

Oh, it's definitely hard to do. And it's almost impossible to know whether or not someone will commit a crime again. In the case of pedophiles I think that, perhaps, it is indeed likely that they will commit another crime.

But even so listing their criminal record is not a good option IMO. There's a reason why almost no country in the world does this you know.

As for making guns harder to get.. We are almost in agreement here I suppose. I never advocated banning guns entirely.

So to sum it up, you are in favor of giving someone the benefit of the doubt?

 

[Seven]

So to sum it up, you are in favor of giving someone the benefit of the doubt?

I think that in a perfect society pedophiles need to receive treatment. If the judge thinks it is wise to allow to live free without restrictions however, I think it is not a smart idea to tell everyone in his neigbhourhood that he was a pedophile.

As for guns.. I think people need to go through rigorous training before they could get one.

 

[swag]

I think that in a perfect society pedophiles need to receive treatment. If the judge thinks it is wise to allow to live free without restrictions however, I think it is not a smart idea to tell everyone in his neigbhourhood that he was a pedophile.

IMO, a worthy read on this topic from a couple years back:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/01/14/the-science-of-sex-abuse

There's a real question about recidivism, and in our modern society the kiddie diddlers are regarded as more subhuman than just about any other form of crime.

 

[Seven]

IMO, a worthy read on this topic from a couple years back:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/01/14/the-science-of-sex-abuse

There's a real question about recidivism, and in our modern society the kiddie diddlers are regarded as more subhuman than just about any other form of crime.

That was a good read, thanks. It's a difficult subject, that much is sure.

 

[Hust]

https://reason.com/reasontv/2015/10/07/how-to-create-a-gun-free-america-in-5-ea


Gun free America in 5 easy steps

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Op-Ed from the survivor of the Roanoke shooting:

http://conservativeintel.com/2015/1...e-gotta-read-roanoke-massacre-survivors-oped/

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Meanwhile in Obamamerica, gun sales at an all time high:

http://freebeacon.com/issues/september-sees-record-gun-sales/

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Very interesting:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/thinktank/Would-be-killers-target-gun-free-zones.html

Since at least 1950, all but two public mass shootings in America have taken place where general citizens are banned from carrying guns. In Europe, there have been no exceptions. Every mass public shooting has occurred in a gun-free zone. And Europe is no stranger to mass shootings. It has been host to three of the six worst K-12 school shootings and by far the worst mass public shooting perpetrated by a single individual.

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Kelly might be surprised to learn that killers have frequently talked about their desire to attack where guns are banned. The suspect in the Charleston, S.C., shootings in June originally aimed to attack the College of Charleston. He chose a church instead because the college had armed guards.

The diary of the Batman movie theater killer, James Holmes, was finally released just a few months ago. He decided against attacking an airport because of the “substantial security.” Out of seven theaters showing the Batman movie premiere within 20 minutes of the suspect’s apartment in 2012, only one banned permitted concealed handguns. That’s the one he attacked.

Or take a couple of cases from last year. Elliot Rodger, who fatally shot three people in Santa Barbara, Calif., explained his reasoning in his 141-page “manifesto.” He ruled out various targets because he worried that someone with a gun would cut short his killing spree. Justin Bourque shot to death three people in Canada. His Facebook page made fun of gun bans, with pictures of defenseless victims explaining to killers that guns are prohibited.

@Bjerknes

 

[Seven]

Lol. 'Every mass public shooting had occurred in a gunfree zone in Europe' - there are no other zones..

 

[Seven]

That article is really poor and deliberately missed the point by the way.

 

[Hust]

If you don’t think deterrence works, ask yourself if you would post a sign in front of your home saying it is a “gun-free zone.” It’s very likely that such signs aren’t going to be going up in any neighborhoods soon.

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That article is really poor and deliberately missed the point by the way.

I bet every European here will say the exact same thing.

 

[Seven]

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I bet every European here will say the exact same thing.

Your missing the point in almost criminal fashion..

 

[Seven]

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I bet every European here will say the exact same thing.

That's because it is very poor. And we have nowhere near the same amount of shootings as the US. They happen, but not to the same extent. And it's not a close call.