[Serie A] Juventus 3-1 Lazio [March 6th, 2021] (13 Viewers)

[juventus4life]

If our defenders had a handball like Lazio defender did in the first half, ref would review the replay and pk. We have seen that so many times since VAR implemented a few seasons ago. But if Juve's opponents committed handballs, the ref would deny the pk, and the VAR refs didn't do anything either. To me, there's clearly an agenda against us.

 

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[JCK]

It’s a funny one. Lazio played us off the park for the first 15/20 mins of the game, but not long after we conceded we pretty much dominated them all the way until Morata made it 3-1. It was our best performance in Serie A this season and an utterly deserved win.

Even after the 3-1 when we stepped off the gas, we were solid defensively and we looked like we got them in and out and all their ideas.

 

[Wings]

I thought Luis Alberto was going to turn us in and out but was relieved to see after a terrible 20 minutes we actually moved around and took the game to them. So much improvement in the movement after the standard stand by your marker bullshit we usually pull.

 

[The Quazis]

Easier said than done. Even under Allegri we have struggled against them recently.

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Imo Lazio’s success has more to do with Igli Tare than Inzaghi.

Tare is overrated. Their transfers after coming back to the CL after 20 years were Muriqi (for 20mln lol) and Fares.

 

[Amer]

If our defenders had a handball like Lazio defender did in the first half, ref would review the replay and pk. We have seen that so many times since VAR implemented a few seasons ago. But if Juve's opponents committed handballs, the ref would deny the pk, and the VAR refs didn't do anything either. To me, there's clearly an agenda against us.

This.

If it was Milan it would have been a pk.

 

[Alen]

If our defenders had a handball like Lazio defender did in the first half, ref would review the replay and pk. We have seen that so many times since VAR implemented a few seasons ago. But if Juve's opponents committed handballs, the ref would deny the pk, and the VAR refs didn't do anything either. To me, there's clearly an agenda against us.

When you have VAR and very clear "Laws of the game 2020/21" for handling offence, there is no space for mistakes.

What happened: the ball rebounds from Acerbi and hits Hoedt's hand.

On p. 106 in "Laws of the game" it's clearly stated that It's not a penalty if the ball touches a player's hand/arm:
• directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

This is what the ref called, so some might say it was a correct decision.

But then we have this on p. 104 of the same "Laws"
It is a penalty offence if a player touches the ball with his hand/arm when:
• the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger.

Confusing situation, right? One law makes yesterday's handball a penalty, and one doesn't.

That is why the "Laws" have a solution for this. On p. 104, it is also said that if a player touches the ball with his hand/arm when the hand/arm made their body unnaturally bigger, it is a penalty offence:
• even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

Crystal clear. If the main ref saw the rebound and didn't see the handball very clear, or couldn't decide if the hand made the body unnaturally bigger, VAR was there to make the penalty call, because the hand/arm made the body unnaturally bigger without any doubts.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

When you have VAR and very clear "Laws of the game 2020/21" for handling offence, there is no space for mistakes.

What happened: the ball rebounds from Acerbi and hits Hoedt's hand.

On p. 106 in "Laws of the game" it's clearly stated that It's not a penalty if the ball touches a player's hand/arm:
• directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

This is what the ref called, so some might say it was a correct decision.

But then we have this on p. 104 of the same "Laws"
It is a penalty offence if a player touches the ball with his hand/arm when:
• the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger.

Confusing situation, right? One law makes yesterday's handball a penalty, and one doesn't.

That is why the "Laws" have a solution for this. On p. 104, it is also said that if a player touches the ball with his hand/arm when the hand/arm made their body unnaturally bigger, it is a penalty offence:
• even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

Crystal clear. If the main ref saw the rebound and didn't see the handball very clear, or couldn't decide if the hand made the body unnaturally bigger, VAR was there to make the penalty call, because the hand/arm made the body unnaturally bigger without any doubts.

But did his hand make his bigger unturally bigger..
It looked like this is the natural position of the Lazio player hand.. you don't run/walk with your hands sticked to your body..
Anyway.. we still are getting less favorable treatment compared to Milan and Inter..


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[JuveJay]

When you have VAR and very clear "Laws of the game 2020/21" for handling offence, there is no space for mistakes.

What happened: the ball rebounds from Acerbi and hits Hoedt's hand.

On p. 106 in "Laws of the game" it's clearly stated that It's not a penalty if the ball touches a player's hand/arm:
• directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

This is what the ref called, so some might say it was a correct decision.

But then we have this on p. 104 of the same "Laws"
It is a penalty offence if a player touches the ball with his hand/arm when:
• the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger.

Confusing situation, right? One law makes yesterday's handball a penalty, and one doesn't.

That is why the "Laws" have a solution for this. On p. 104, it is also said that if a player touches the ball with his hand/arm when the hand/arm made their body unnaturally bigger, it is a penalty offence:
• even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

Crystal clear. If the main ref saw the rebound and didn't see the handball very clear, or couldn't decide if the hand made the body unnaturally bigger, VAR was there to make the penalty call, because the hand/arm made the body unnaturally bigger without any doubts.

And is any of this surprising a week after they sat Orsato behind the cameras on Novantesimo Minuto and grilled him about the now-mythical Pjanic "second yellow card" from the Inter game in 2018 - the first active Italian ref to ever agree to go on tv to explain himself. All over the media again, they even questioned Pirlo about it.

There is lots at stake at this point of the season with CL spots and the title, so it just adds to the conditioning of officials. Massa is as flimsy as any of the worst refs out there. And like the others, once Ramsey is fouled by SMS (it's a penalty in its own right because what SMS does is brainless and impatient), our penalty claim bar is already 90% full because he knows by half time that he fucked up on the handball claim.

It's easy to claim bias but I really can't see if that is Demiral at the other end and Lazio players screaming in his face how it doesn't go to a VAR check and a penalty after 10 replays in super slow motion to convince the ref. At the end of the day it's humans making choices to use the technology so the same bias and conditioning applies in the implementation.

 

[Alex-444]

 

[PedroFlu]

LOL.


Dont wanna burst your bubble, but in Santos, Real Madrid and Man City, all of them he was tried as DM, more so in Santos and Man City. rare but actually happend. In fact in Santos as youngster he was DM first then became a RB (like a reverse Fabinho case).

This is very precise. How do you know this?

 

[Osman]

This is very precise. How do you know this?

I seen him play in these teams?


City and Real obvious. But Santos 2010-2011 was a rare year where brazilian league was shown in swedish tv (between 2008 and 2012), and they were on pace to win libertadores. Watched them mainly for Ganso (what a dissapointed he turned out to lol, was expecting the next Diego) , but Alex Sandro and Danilo were nice standout bonuses, as was Elano.

 

[PedroFlu]

Damn.

 

[Lion]

I seen him play in these teams?


City and Real obvious. But Santos 2010-2011 was a rare year where brazilian league was shown in swedish tv (between 2008 and 2012), and they were on pace to win libertadores. Watched them mainly for Ganso (what a dissapointed he turned out to lol, was expecting the next Diego) , but Alex Sandro and Danilo were nice standout bonuses, as was Elano.

here we go again with this

 

[Osman]

Damn.

I used to stan Ganso embarrassingly hard

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/th...l-discussion-thread.30988/page-8#post-2674758

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/neymar-forward-psg.31279/page-58#post-2906795

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/wi...cato-talk-2011-12.32927/page-372#post-3105507

here we go again with this

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/wi...cato-talk-2011-12.32927/page-418#post-3116871

@Sadomin ^^^

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/diego-ribas-da-cunha.27540/page-48#post-2064583

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/alex-sandro.41654/page-5#post-5061897

 

[Lion]

damn impressive dedication. respect.

but also i am still suspicious

 

[Nenz]

That penetration and drive shown in this match was down very much to Morata. If we want to win anything this season he has to play almost all the games. Once the side realised they actually had a CF to play the ball into it made a big difference to the play all round. I even think we'd be better off without Ronaldo in the side. He has no penetration as a winger anymore and Morata should be leading the line.

I love how involved Chiesa wants to be in everything. He's a desperate player. Polar opposite to Bernardeschi. Rabiot is a frustrating player. He has a ton of strength and great leg speed. There's no reason why he shouldn't be making more runs forward. Not even in behind, he can mow a single marker down on the run. What's made this team so bad most of this is season is Morata's long absences and the lack of a penetrating midfielder. Too bad McKennie isn't fit/out of form.

 

[pavluska]

This.

If it was Milan it would have been a pk.

Don't say this to the few luminaries in CL thread who told us to be objectif and not be like the anti juventini.

 

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[campionesidd]

Wait, this game was just 2 weeks ago. Feels like a lifetime already.

 

[Lion]

Wait, this game was just 2 weeks ago. Feels like a lifetime already.

yeah man. it also feels like a lifetime since u missed the last game. time to continue missing lol