[Serie A] JUVENTUS 2 - 0 Milan (Oct. 2nd 2011) (9 Viewers)

Man of the Match: 2011-10-02 : Juve 2 - 0 Milan

  • Buffon

  • Chiellini

  • Barzagli

  • Bonucci

  • Lichtsteiner

  • Pepe

  • Vidal

  • Pirlo

  • Marchisio

  • Krasic

  • Vucinic

  • Giaccherini

  • Conte


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Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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The only problem with the 3 man MF it's hinder Pirlo's effect, he plays so deep with 2 other MF around that his impact is not felt as much as a 2 man MF where he can go forward and be the one to make the final pass, A lot of passes missed by Marchi and especially Vidal in the final third would've been another story if it was Pirlo.
It;s good and bad actually. It's true a lot of passed were misplaced by Vidal and Marchi but at the same time I don't like the idea of being Pirlo independent. I feel he's going to pick up an injury some-time soon.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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I wanted to see Del Piero, who didn't want to? But that's not my point, what I'm trying to say is we look better with two strikers, we can finish balls better and we don't isolate the lone striker like we did with Matri against Catania and Vuci against Milan (Vuci's two chances thanks to him and no credits to any team work).

Del Piero or not. We have 5strikers in the team, 4 of them capable of playing together, 2 of them at least can make differences, profit from it and field them.
Matri was left isolated against Catania, and that is clearly the big weakness of lone striker systems.

However, I wouldn't say Vucinic was isolated against Milan. There weren't many occasions when he didn't have reasonably close support from Vidal or Marchisio, mostly Vidal.

I've just been pleased to see flexibility from Conte over the last few games, as I was concerned when he was appointed under the 4-2-4 headline that he would be stcuk on one system.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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The only problem with the 3 man MF it's hinder Pirlo's effect, he plays so deep with 2 other MF around that his impact is not felt as much as a 2 man MF where he can go forward and be the one to make the final pass, A lot of passes missed by Marchi and especially Vidal in the final third would've been another story if it was Pirlo.
It;s good and bad actually. It's true a lot of passed were misplaced by Vidal and Marchi but at the same time I don't like the idea of being Pirlo independent. I feel he's going to pick up an injury some-time soon.
Vidal's passing was poor, but Marchisio was pretty tidy.

I'm not big on stats, but a few pages back some said Marchisio had 95% pass completion against Milan.
 

Lapa

FLY, EAGLES FLY
Sep 29, 2008
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I've just been pleased to see flexibility from Conte over the last few games, as I was concerned when he was appointed under the 4-2-4 headline that he would be stcuk on one system.
Word...finally somebody who can change his system when needed. :tup:
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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Matri was left isolated against Catania, and that is clearly the big weakness of lone striker systems.

However, I wouldn't say Vucinic was isolated against Milan. There weren't many occasions when he didn't have reasonably close support from Vidal or Marchisio, mostly Vidal.

I've just been pleased to see flexibility from Conte over the last few games, as I was concerned when he was appointed under the 4-2-4 headline that he would be stcuk on one system.
I'm not a fan of sticking too much to the same formation system. 4-2-4 or 4-1-4-1 what was worrying last night were his late subs and taking the risk. It worked, but I don't know if he'd repeat it again and if it would work again. Lets see.
 

Nicholas

MIRKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 30, 2008
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You laughed? The same way you laughed after Catania's game? When you realized that the 4-1-4-1 didn't work after whining for so long wondering why Conte doesn't use this formation? Soap yourself well.

And if you knew a thing about this game you'd figure out yourself that Vuci had no services and was isolated.
Vucinic job was to create which he did and enabled the likes of Vidal and Marchisio to get in positions to create danger as shown by the amount of shots Vidal had and the first goal Marchisio scored.

You're arguing about a game that we've won and saying we should of played two strikers. Vucinic and Matri does not work, Del Piero cannot press anymore so whats the point in starting him against one of the top teams in the league? We cannot afford to carry players.

I'll soap it every game if we win and play one man upfront being Vucinic mind.

I moaned after the Catania game because clearly Matri is not good enough to play alone upfront and lacked any real support. That's why I moaned. Watching Vucinic tear Milan players a new one and bring his fellow team mates into numerous moves is something we've never seen from any of our other Strikers this season.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
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Vidal's passing was poor, but Marchisio was pretty tidy.

I'm not big on stats, but a few pages back some said Marchisio had 95% pass completion against Milan.
Yep Marchisio passing was good, but neither of them could make that pass that will break the defence, our wingers and FB aren't capables to put a decent cross and even if they do, the likelyhood that it will be met by our players is very slim, having Pirlo in that final third making those passes is much better and that's the benefit fo 2man MF, he have so many options and so much space he could be do so much damage.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Vucinic job was to create which he did and enabled the likes of Vidal and Marchisio to get in position.

You're arguing about a game that we've won and saying we should of played two strikers. Vucinic and Matri does not work, Del Piero cannot press anymore so whats the point in starting him against one of the top teams in the league? We cannot afford to carry players.

I'll soap it every game if we win and play one man upfront being Vucinic mind.
Look I'm seriously not in the mood of arguing with you. Go take this to some transfer Neymar likes thread or stop quoting me. If you're too thick minded to get my point then I can't help you. I'm not complaining about our well deserved 3points but more about Conte's late subs and if it's wise to repeat it in our next games, IMO it would be a mistake. You don't like it, then it's your fucking problem.
 

Nicholas

MIRKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 30, 2008
38,737
Look I'm seriously not in the mood of arguing with you. Go take this to some transfer Neymar likes thread or stop quoting me. If you're too thick minded to get my point then I can't help you. I'm not complaining about our well deserved 3points but more about Conte's late subs and if it's wise to repeat it in our next games, IMO it would be a mistake. You don't like it, then it's your fucking problem.
Ok, then stop throwing a hissy fit because Del Piero does not make an appearance.
 

Bezzy

The Bookie Queen
Jun 5, 2010
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The only problem with the 3 man MF it's hinder Pirlo's effect, he plays so deep with 2 other MF around that his impact is not felt as much as a 2 man MF where he can go forward and be the one to make the final pass, A lot of passes missed by Marchi and especially Vidal in the final third would've been another story if it was Pirlo.
who never came there because he plays in front of our defence
and doesn't have the longs vidal and marchisio has
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
Ok, then stop throwing a hissy fit because Del Piero does not make an appearance.
Ha. You obviously don't know me yet. If it's because of Del Piero not playing more than not fielding two strikers in the 2nd half then I would have made it more clear. When it's something concerning Del Piero I say it without giving a fuck about the likes of you.

I was banned once (4years ago) because of Del Piero so I'm not gonna squeeze my balls and twist what I really wanna say.
 

Nicholas

MIRKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 30, 2008
38,737
Ha. You obviously don't know me yet. If it's because of Del Piero not playing more than not fielding two strikers in the 2nd half then I would have made it more clear. When it's something concerning Del Piero I say it without giving a fuck about the likes of you.

I was banned before because of Del Piero so I'm not gonna squeeze my balls and twist what I really wanna say.
Say what you like, I don't give a damn about a random guys opinion on the internet. Don't mince your words on my account.

Juventus as a club played their best football last night for many years, so I sleep easy.
 

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