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I would agree that our BEST starting XI is at least equal to, or better than that of Inter. Not judging purely on either muscle or flair, but on all elements. They are more mechanical, we have more players in our formation who want to play, not just score simple goals through grinding the opposition down like a panzer tank. Whereas Inter are the opposite, especially after selling Ibra. Whose flamboyant technique often helped them to win games in which the opposition had blockaded their Steam Roller attempts...
I love Trezeguet. But there is no way I would rather have him than Eto. The african is much faster, probably stronger, and has shown at Barca, that if he plays with an ultra creative team, he will score more goals than games played, by the end of the season, or something close to it. I am loyal to Trezeguet, but not to the point of stupidity.
Manager wise. Mourinho is obviously superior. Due to his experience and success. He is not yet in the same league as Lippi, or Hiddink, or Ferguson...and perhaps he never will be, due to mainly his too regularly appalling arrogance, but also his lack of making teams play attractive football...but he is much more dangerous than Ciro. Presently. Unlike with Eto/Trez I would not be happier to have Mourinho as our manager, in place of Ciro, because he has no class.
I love Trezeguet. But there is no way I would rather have him than Eto. The african is much faster, probably stronger, and has shown at Barca, that if he plays with an ultra creative team, he will score more goals than games played, by the end of the season, or something close to it. I am loyal to Trezeguet, but not to the point of stupidity.
Manager wise. Mourinho is obviously superior. Due to his experience and success. He is not yet in the same league as Lippi, or Hiddink, or Ferguson...and perhaps he never will be, due to mainly his too regularly appalling arrogance, but also his lack of making teams play attractive football...but he is much more dangerous than Ciro. Presently. Unlike with Eto/Trez I would not be happier to have Mourinho as our manager, in place of Ciro, because he has no class.
Buffon
Zebina Cannavaro Chiellini Grosso
Camo Melo Sissoko
Diego
Del Piero Trezeguet
Cesar
Maicon Samuel Lucio Chivu
Zanetti Cambiasso Stankovic
Sneijder
Eto'o Milito
Buffon >>> CesarZebina Cannavaro Chiellini Grosso
Camo Melo Sissoko
Diego
Del Piero Trezeguet
Cesar
Maicon Samuel Lucio Chivu
Zanetti Cambiasso Stankovic
Sneijder
Eto'o Milito
Zebina <<<<<<<< Maicon
Grosso <<<<< Chivu
Cannavaro < Samuel (I can't believe few can't obviously see that)
Chiellini >>>> Lucio
Camo = Zanetti
Melo << Cambiasso
Sissoko > Stankovic (eventhough not comparable players)
Diego = Sneijder (I know Diego is more talented but that doesn't justify the '>' yet)
Del Piero > Whoever
Trezeuet <<< Eto'o/Milito
Inter 5, Juventus 4.
Manninger
Grygera Caceres Legro Molinaro
Marchisio Poulsen Tiago
Giovinco
Iaquinta Amauri
Toldo
Santon Cordoba Matrix Santon
Viera Motta Muntari
Mancini
Balotelli Suazo
Grygera Caceres Legro Molinaro
Marchisio Poulsen Tiago
Giovinco
Iaquinta Amauri
Toldo
Santon Cordoba Matrix Santon
Viera Motta Muntari
Mancini
Balotelli Suazo
Manninger >>> Toldo
Grygera <<<<<< Santon
Legro = Matrix
Caceres <<< Cordoba
Molinaro <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Santon (Had to use Santon twice, he cover both flanks for them)
Tiago <<<< Motta
Marchisio >>>>>> Viera
Poulsen < Muntari
Giovinco >>> Mancini
Amauri < Balotelli
Iaquinta >>> Suazo
Inter 6, Juventus 4.
FACT: Inter squad edge us at the moment but not by much.
I disagree with the Samuel and Balotelli evaluations. Balotelli better than Amauri? You must be insane; the kid has potential, but he has to justify it, and perform consistently before we can even begin to talk about him and Amauri in the same sentence.
Cannavaro and Samuel are equal, and I would argue that Camo has a slight edge over Zanetti, and that Poulsen is in no way inferior to Muntari. Other than that, your comparative analysis is quite accurate.
Cannavaro and Samuel are equal, and I would argue that Camo has a slight edge over Zanetti, and that Poulsen is in no way inferior to Muntari. Other than that, your comparative analysis is quite accurate.
One more thing to say...
I was never a fan of comparing individuals... let's try comparing lines as unites.
Defense: We have Buffon they have Cesar, they have four walls in the names of Maicon, Samuel, Lucio and Chivu while we have the best defender in the world Chiellini and an old but still capable Cannavaro our FB sucks.
Verdict: Juventus < Inter.
Midfield: Creativity wise we edge them with the likes of Camo, Diego and Giovinco... muscles wise it is a close call as we have Sissoko, Melo, Poulsen and Marchisio while they have Cambiasso, Muntari, Motta and Viera... both midfields are very solid and hard to break... close call this time... one may say we have better player but no one can deny they function very well as a unit.
Verdict: Juventus > Inter ('=' is a close call though).
Attack: We have a group of four capable strikers eventhough with Del Piero missing we can't mix any two of them... they have a devastating partnership in Militto and Eto'o and Balotelli who can cover for both.
Verdict: Juventus < Inter ('=' is a close call as well).
Coach: Move to verdicts.
Verdict: Juventus < Inter.
FACT: check the fact in my previous post.
I was never a fan of comparing individuals... let's try comparing lines as unites.
Defense: We have Buffon they have Cesar, they have four walls in the names of Maicon, Samuel, Lucio and Chivu while we have the best defender in the world Chiellini and an old but still capable Cannavaro our FB sucks.
Verdict: Juventus < Inter.
Midfield: Creativity wise we edge them with the likes of Camo, Diego and Giovinco... muscles wise it is a close call as we have Sissoko, Melo, Poulsen and Marchisio while they have Cambiasso, Muntari, Motta and Viera... both midfields are very solid and hard to break... close call this time... one may say we have better player but no one can deny they function very well as a unit.
Verdict: Juventus > Inter ('=' is a close call though).
Attack: We have a group of four capable strikers eventhough with Del Piero missing we can't mix any two of them... they have a devastating partnership in Militto and Eto'o and Balotelli who can cover for both.
Verdict: Juventus < Inter ('=' is a close call as well).
Coach: Move to verdicts.
Verdict: Juventus < Inter.
FACT: check the fact in my previous post.
Grygera is nothing special tbh.
You can make a case for Balotelli-Amauri... but even if you can it won't last for long 
Samuel slightly edge Cannavaro IMO... one has to be so biased to say that in a mix team between Juventus and Inter the starter would be Chiellini and Cannavaro and we will drop Samuel, Cordoba, Matrix, Lucio and Chivu.
Camo is class... more creative and influential but Zanetti is Mr. INeverPlayABadGame... it is debatable... but '=' IMO is more objective.
I don't rate Muntari at all, if Poulsen keep performing the way he is of late he can surely edge him IMO.
Samuel slightly edge Cannavaro IMO... one has to be so biased to say that in a mix team between Juventus and Inter the starter would be Chiellini and Cannavaro and we will drop Samuel, Cordoba, Matrix, Lucio and Chivu.
Camo is class... more creative and influential but Zanetti is Mr. INeverPlayABadGame... it is debatable... but '=' IMO is more objective.
I don't rate Muntari at all, if Poulsen keep performing the way he is of late he can surely edge him IMO.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter who has the stronger squad, but who possesses the greater hunger, desire, and ability to perform consistently over the course of a long and gruelling season.
Prior to Farsopoli, Inter arguably always had the better squad, but we ended up winning anyway(on the field of play)
Prior to Farsopoli, Inter arguably always had the better squad, but we ended up winning anyway(on the field of play)
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter who has the stronger squad, but who possesses the greater hunger, desire, and ability to perform consistently over the course of a long and gruelling season.
Prior to Farsopoli, Inter arguably always had the better squad, but we ended up winning anyway(on the field of play)
Prior to Farsopoli, Inter arguably always had the better squad, but we ended up winning anyway(on the field of play)
That's not all. The team that wins always "seems" to be the better one. In other words had they won back then they would have seemed better than they seemed and we would have seemed worse.
Thus, how do we get our "inferior" squad to improve? We win, and then everyone will think we look better than we currently do.
Thus, how do we get our "inferior" squad to improve? We win, and then everyone will think we look better than we currently do.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter who has the stronger squad, but who possesses the greater hunger, desire, and ability to perform consistently over the course of a long and gruelling season.
Prior to Farsopoli, Inter arguably always had the better squad, but we ended up winning anyway(on the field of play)
Prior to Farsopoli, Inter arguably always had the better squad, but we ended up winning anyway(on the field of play)
Talent wise, we are advantaged over every team in the league other than Inter. Injuries, Belief and Heart...then luck, are the prime factors in separating the winner from the loser of this two horse race. I mention injuries first and foremost because of our weaker squad, and also terrible recent run of a year or three, of horribly frequent medical problems with our best players. I hope that the second half of the season will be injury free to our team, and the opposite to inter. Just to even things out a little...Because they could really make the difference.
Other than those factors...Its down to Ciro. To encourage heart, spirit, belief, and put the players into a system which delivers our most powerful punch, over and over again, pounding opponents into bloody fragments of human body parts, kinda like speedball2 on the aimiga...
I completely disagree! Our attack is much more stronger,
We have better headers (Amauri, trezeguet Iaquinta) > (Milito, Eto, balotelli), better finishers(Trezeguet, Amauri Iaquinta, Delpiero) > (milito, eto, Balotelli), more muscle (Iaquinta, Amauri) > (milito Baloteli, eto), technique (Delpiero, Giovinco, Amauri) > (Milito, eto, balotelli)
We have better headers (Amauri, trezeguet Iaquinta) > (Milito, Eto, balotelli), better finishers(Trezeguet, Amauri Iaquinta, Delpiero) > (milito, eto, Balotelli), more muscle (Iaquinta, Amauri) > (milito Baloteli, eto), technique (Delpiero, Giovinco, Amauri) > (Milito, eto, balotelli)