Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (300 Viewers)

[Ronn]

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I don't care where they're from. I'm just tired of them trying to play the victim card in this conflict.

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Like I said; Europeans care about Europe, Arabs care about the Middle East and the other North African countries.

It's just how it is.

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[Juventino[RUS]]

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That's fucked up

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Not a surprise, criminal rate is going up badly

 

[Tomice]

I agree its not comparable. There are other instances like I pointed out where its the same issue, for example Saudi Arabia getting into proxy wars. But since they are allied to the US, there's silence.

Essentially the US and Europe establishment are on Israel side too. Not saying its wrong or right, but this does explain why they would not push pressure on a resolution. Interested to know your opinion, do you think it would be possible to include Palestine within Israel and give the Palestinians special status, similar to how Canada does for their native? While they also keep their state hypothetically. EDIT: I assume Palestinians wouldn't like it on second thought.

I think we are past the point of any one state solution. Too much animosity and distrust.
Any state with both of us will either end with a muslim majority and effectively the end of a jewish state or with apartheid where Palestinians are second class citizens (which will also end the jewish state imo)

As you said at this point I dont think they will give up on their national aspirations/independence and accept any special status kind of deal. Also I truly believe they are unable to make independent/decisive decisions so it's even more complex then that, too many players with intrest to keep this conflict alive.

 

[Mokku]

Refugees are fleeing a warzone and are giving up their homes, careers, friends, and families on top of having been scared shitless witnessing large-scale death. Their mental state is at an extreme so yes, some refugees will be broken and a lot will carry deep hate therefore, crime will go up because they need some sort of financial or mental help. Refugees and freeloaders are very different things. In a while, the sympathy will wear out on Ukrainians and the media will start reporting an increase in crime.

People on this forum are sympathetic to Ukraine but less so to Palestine because of some subconscious bias, and don't realise their own hypocrisy by being less sympathetic to those dying in the Middle East. You can hold hated towards ideologies and regimes but an innocent Palestinian kid dying is the same as a Ukrainian kid dying, people who can't see this are morally ill.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Refugees are fleeing a warzone and are giving up their homes, careers, friends, and families on top of having been scared shitless witnessing large-scale death. Their mental state is at an extreme so yes, some refugees will be broken and a lot will carry deep hate therefore, crime will go up because they need some sort of financial or mental help. Refugees and freeloaders are very different things. In a while, the sympathy will wear out on Ukrainians and the media will start reporting an increase in crime.

People on this forum are sympathetic to Ukraine but less so to Palestine because of some subconscious bias, and don't realise their own hypocrisy by being less sympathetic to those dying in the Middle East. You can hold hated towards ideologies and regimes but an innocent Palestinian kid dying is the same as a Ukrainian kid dying, people who can't see this are morally ill.

Bruh, Europeans will.be more sympathetic to Europeans, Africans to Africans, Americans to Americans, it have nothing to do with bias or racism

 

[Bjerknes]

Refugees are fleeing a warzone and are giving up their homes, careers, friends, and families on top of having been scared shitless witnessing large-scale death. Their mental state is at an extreme so yes, some refugees will be broken and a lot will carry deep hate therefore, crime will go up because they need some sort of financial or mental help. Refugees and freeloaders are very different things. In a while, the sympathy will wear out on Ukrainians and the media will start reporting an increase in crime.

People on this forum are sympathetic to Ukraine but less so to Palestine because of some subconscious bias, and don't realise their own hypocrisy by being less sympathetic to those dying in the Middle East. You can hold hated towards ideologies and regimes but an innocent Palestinian kid dying is the same as a Ukrainian kid dying, people who can't see this are morally ill.

I disagree, I feel sympathetic for the Palestinian kids as well. However, I think it's a different situation overall. The Jews and the Palestinians have been battling each other for centuries and no matter what anyone does, it never changes. They'll kill each other forever. Ukraine being invaded for no legitimate reason whatsoever, something that has extreme implications across the planet, is a much bigger deal, in spite of the "value of life" argument.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

I disagree, I feel sympathetic for the Palestinian kids as well. However, I think it's a different situation overall. The Jews and the Palestinians have been battling each other for centuries and no matter what anyone does, it never changes. They'll kill each other forever. Ukraine being invaded for no legitimate reason whatsoever, something that has extreme implications across the planet, is a much bigger deal, in spite of the "value of life" argument.

Not only this, the infringement of Palestine doesn't threaten other countries, the seizure of Ukraine by Russia is a threat for all the EU

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Even FSB undercover agents are running away from Putin
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...urch-in-amsterdam-announces-split-with-moscow

 

[Mokku]

@Juventino[RUS]
Correct, because people are more comfortable among their own but that's fundamentally a wrong way to approach humanity.
@Bjerknes
Yes, it's a bigger deal for the world but is it a bigger deal that a Ukrainian dies or a Palestinian dies? I should correct you though, Palestinian and Jewish governments have been fighting each other, and like your civilians picking up arms in Ukraine the Palestinian people are doing the same so what makes the Ukrainians brave heroes and the others foolish terrorists? Governments don't speak for the people and the civilians are fighting for their lives.

My colleagues are war surgeons who travel to all places, treat all kinds of people. They look at their patients as equal whether they're civilians or soldiers involved in the fighting. Their perspective is more in line with what people should be like hence, why they'll risk their lives and their luxury lifestyles for any humans in need. Some are heading over to Ukraine now, and they'll treat everyone that ends up in front of them the same.

 

[Post Ironic]

I disagree, I feel sympathetic for the Palestinian kids as well. However, I think it's a different situation overall. The Jews and the Palestinians have been battling each other for centuries and no matter what anyone does, it never changes. They'll kill each other forever. Ukraine being invaded for no legitimate reason whatsoever, something that has extreme implications across the planet, is a much bigger deal, in spite of the "value of life" argument.

Thank you. Exactly this.

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@Juventino[RUS]
Correct, because people are more comfortable among their own but that's fundamentally a wrong way to approach humanity.
@Bjerknes
Yes, it's a bigger deal for the world but is it a bigger deal that a Ukrainian dies or a Palestinian dies? I should correct you though, Palestinian and Jewish governments have been fighting each other, and like your civilians picking up arms in Ukraine the Palestinian people are doing the same so what makes the Ukrainians brave heroes and the others foolish terrorists? Governments don't speak for the people and the civilians are fighting for their lives.

My colleagues are war surgeons who travel to all places, treat all kinds of people. They look at their patients as equal whether they're civilians or soldiers involved in the fighting. Their perspective is more in line with what people should be like hence, why they'll risk their lives and their luxury lifestyles for any humans in need. Some are heading over to Ukraine now, and they'll treat everyone that ends up in front of them the same.

One can feel equal sympathy for a Palestinian kid dying as for a Ukrainian kid dying whilst considering the conflicts that cause these deaths very different…

 

[Tomice]

@Juventino[RUS]
Correct, because people are more comfortable among their own but that's fundamentally a wrong way to approach humanity.
@Bjerknes
Yes, it's a bigger deal for the world but is it a bigger deal that a Ukrainian dies or a Palestinian dies? I should correct you though, Palestinian and Jewish governments have been fighting each other, and like your civilians picking up arms in Ukraine the Palestinian people are doing the same so what makes the Ukrainians brave heroes and the others foolish terrorists? Governments don't speak for the people and the civilians are fighting for their lives.

My colleagues are war surgeons who travel to all places, treat all kinds of people. They look at their patients as equal whether they're civilians or soldiers involved in the fighting. Their perspective is more in line with what people should be like hence, why they'll risk their lives and their luxury lifestyles for any humans in need. Some are heading over to Ukraine now, and they'll treat everyone that ends up in front of them the same.

Intentionally targeting civilians. that's terrorism by definition.

I have no problem whatsoever with Palestinians resistance, they are entitled to it. You can even justify terrorism. but it's not the same. Even in Israel we have different terms for a Palestinian attacking civilians and Palestinians attacking security/army forces.

 

[Cerval]

Either way the thread is about Ukraine

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Yeah, the NATO should have sended air defense to ukraine long time ago

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thats 250KG bomb....Little furher is fucking insane

 

[Mokku]

One can feel equal sympathy for a Palestinian kid dying as for a Ukrainian kid dying whilst considering the conflicts that cause these deaths very different…

Correct, but every conflict has a side and Palestinians will say that the Israeli genesis was the same thing so 40 or so years later, it's acceptable that people are dying because of their ongoing conflict. I get that humans are about self-preservation and survival, but it comes at the cost of caring for each other so much so that you can become dehumanised and when that happens, people are capable of anything. A perfect example is Putin himself and his generals who don't care for human life and the Russians who slap a 'Z' on themselves to show that it's OK for Ukrainians to die at the hands of their leader.

@Tomice
I'm not taking sides, I'm saying that not caring or considering everyone as the same is creating hardened people willing to allow for the sacrifice of people, and that this mentality is a problem for everyone.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Refugees are fleeing a warzone and are giving up their homes, careers, friends, and families on top of having been scared shitless witnessing large-scale death. Their mental state is at an extreme so yes, some refugees will be broken and a lot will carry deep hate therefore, crime will go up because they need some sort of financial or mental help. Refugees and freeloaders are very different things. In a while, the sympathy will wear out on Ukrainians and the media will start reporting an increase in crime.

People on this forum are sympathetic to Ukraine but less so to Palestine because of some subconscious bias, and don't realise their own hypocrisy by being less sympathetic to those dying in the Middle East. You can hold hated towards ideologies and regimes but an innocent Palestinian kid dying is the same as a Ukrainian kid dying, people who can't see this are morally ill.

Says the guy who sympathizes with Palestinians more than he does ukrainians.

 

[U Picciriddu]

I don’t understand why the comparison gets made so often.

We all emphasise with humans but the truth is that there are millions and millions of refugees and that this is something nobody in Europe expected this to happen on our borders two weeks ago. It’s a pressing issue

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

in past few days there are were news about the arrests of FSB agents in the western media, now this, there 0 news about it inside the russia this far, but the idea to seizure McDonalds and Ikea etc. have been discussed in our parlament
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia...mpanies-of-arrests-asset-seizures-11647206193

 

[Mokku]

Says the guy who sympathizes with Palestinians more than he does ukrainians.

But I don't, try reading or thinking.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

But I don't, try reading or thinking.

You wouldn't be here talking about Palestinian kids in the ukraine thread while a war is waged on ukrainians when you hardly posted anything here to begin with. Your agenda is pretty clear. Also tell me how bad do you feel about israeli kids who get shelled by hamas? Ever said anything about it here? If no you a nice sanctimonious hypocrite.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I don’t understand why the comparison gets made so often.

We all emphasise with humans but the truth is that there are millions and millions of refugees and that this is something nobody in Europe expected this to happen on our borders two weeks ago. It’s a pressing issue

Because it's a dying cause, even amongst arabs, and needs to get constantly revived at every juncture.

 

[Tomice]

Correct, but every conflict has a side and Palestinians will say that the Israeli genesis was the same thing so 40 or so years later, it's acceptable that people are dying because of their ongoing conflict. I get that humans are about self-preservation and survival, but it comes at the cost of caring for each other so much so that you can become dehumanised and when that happens, people are capable of anything. A perfect example is Putin himself and his generals who don't care for human life and the Russians who slap a 'Z' on themselves to show that it's OK for Ukrainians to die at the hands of their leader.

@Tomice
I'm not taking sides, I'm saying that not caring or considering everyone as the same is creating hardened people willing to allow for the sacrifice of people, and that this mentality is a problem for everyone.

No I get what you are sayin and you can take side idk. But I don't agree the world does not care about Palestinians as you think, the conflict is getting a lot of attention, when there are hostilities everyone covers it. there are many protests in Europe/America, student movements, BDS, UN condemnations once a week. They get more aid per capita then any other population in the world. every big news organization have a branch in the west bank/Gaza. You just can't compare reactions to current events and to the same shit happening for 80 years now.