Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (75 Viewers)

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[Juventino[RUS]]

when man in power is irremovable then he becomes irresponsible, little fuhrer knows that he will get away with all his crimes

 

[Kopanja]

Have no idea what he's trying to achieve with this everyday mantra, until Kiev is alive nothin is gonna change

He has to do it, has to keep the pressure, otherwise, some of our EU partners would again revert to sending strong-worded letters.

 

[Strickland]

- if the world community doesn't help each other and show Putin that Europe will go head-to-head with them (even nuclear), he'll continue to kill people for nothing and inspire other crazies to follow

Putin already went all-in in Ukraine, what makes you think he's bluffing about "consequences you have never seen" aka nuclear war? And in a nuclear war there are only losers, we literally would risk losing whole continents. I for one support NATO's stance on not engaging Russia head on, I don't see a better scenario than dragging this out long enough for a regime change in Russia.

 

[Kopanja]

Putin already went all-in in Ukraine, what makes you think he's bluffing about "consequences you have never seen" aka nuclear war? And in a nuclear war there are only losers, we literally would risk losing whole continents. I for one support NATO's stance on not engaging Russia head on, I don't see a better scenario than dragging this out long enough for a regime change in Russia.

1. Because he is. He is not a madman. And while people around him are slimes it's not a one person who pushes this button.
2. You are in for a long ride if you are waiting a regime change. I guess a million of dead ukrainians later maybe.

 

[Mokku]

1. Because he is. He is not a madman. And while people around him are slimes it's not a one person who pushes this button.
2. You are in for a long ride if you are waiting a regime change. I guess a million of dead ukrainians later maybe.

Imagine going to Juventus Stadium for the game and in every single seat, there is a corpse. Can you even comprehend how that would look? Sadly, this is the way it's going and it's time for strong action.

 

[Strickland]

1. Because he is. He is not a madman. And while people around him are slimes it's not a one person who pushes this button.
2. You are in for a long ride if you are waiting a regime change. I guess a million of dead ukrainians later maybe.

1. Why did he invade Ukraine if he is not a madman? To stay in power in Russia? For me there's nothing logical about that invasion, it's a lose-lose situation for everyone, especially Russia and Ukraine.
2. Sadly that's a very likely scenario.. The power pyramid of Russia and Russia in general seems to be just as rotten as their leader.

 

[Kopanja]

Imagine going to Juventus Stadium for the game and in every single seat, there is a corpse. Can you even comprehend how that would look? Sadly, this is the way it's going and it's time for strong action.

Yeah, I think I unfortunately can. I drive here almost every day.

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1. Why did he invade Ukraine if he is not a madman? To stay in power in Russia? For me there's nothing logical about that invasion, it's a lose-lose situation for everyone, especially Russia and Ukraine.

He invaded Ukraine, because he is an imperialist, and he doesn't view Ukrainians as people, most of us at best are misguided Russians to him, the ones who can't be persuaded in stopping being Ukrainians are ought to be killed.

On top of that, everything in Russia's power structure is built on lies and corruption, bottom-up. Nice reporting to make the boss happy. You can imagine that picture on the ground doesn't correlate much with reports on a top-level after all the layers of reporting. Intel lied, they told Ukraine is waiting for a savior and they have a huge network of collaborators. Military lied, "2nd strongest army in the world" etc. Economic block lied etc.

But that is not a madman's behavior. It's barbaric, cruel, absolutely inhumane, but not a madman, just a guy with absolute power, e.g. your typical Russian ruler for the last idk 8 centuries.

 

[Strickland]

Yeah, I think I unfortunately can. I drive here almost every day.

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He invaded Ukraine, because he is an imperialist, and he doesn't view Ukrainians as people, most of us at best are misguided Russians to him, the ones who can't be persuaded in stopping being Ukrainians are ought to be killed.

On top of that, everything in Russia's power structure is built on lies and corruption, bottom-up. Nice reporting to make the boss happy. You can imagine that picture on the ground doesn't correlate much with reports on a top-level after all the layers of reporting. Intel lied, they told Ukraine is waiting for a savior and they have a huge network of collaborators. Military lied, "2nd strongest army in the world" etc. Economic block lied etc.

But that is not a madman's behavior. It's barbaric, cruel, absolutely inhumane, but not a madman, just a guy with absolute power, e.g. your typical Russian ruler for the last idk 8 centuries.

That's the mad part for me, 0 benefits in real life, just all out emotional agenda, that's not how you lead a country in 21st century. 100% agreed on barbaric, cruel and absolutely inhumane, which are all qualities needed for someone to start a nuclear war

 

[Kopanja]

That's the mad part for me, 0 benefits in real life, just all out emotional agenda, that's not how you lead a country. 100% agreed on barbaric, cruel and absolutely inhumane, which are all qualities needed for someone to start a nuclear war

Like, we are talking about Russia, right? That is how it alsmot always was.

 

[Strickland]

Like, we are talking about Russia, right? That is how it alsmot always was.

I guess you're right. For me it still qualifies as madness, they're fucking crazy. Praying for the day they're put on their knees and that imperialist spirit is broken once and for all.

 

[Goodfella]

Couldn't agree more.

And the Syrian refugees, a lot of the neighboring Arab countries didn't really take any refugees in large numbers in, Saudi Arabia close to none. Instead Turkey had to take millions and Europe as well, but some of their Arab brothers didn't want to help them at all. Even when they speak the same languages and mostly have the same religion and culture.

What fucking hypocrisy.

Actually, they claim otherwise.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Actually, they claim otherwise.

Also ask jordanians and lebanese what happened when they took in large number of Palestinians.

 

[Goodfella]

Also ask jordanians and lebanese what happened when they took in large number of Palestinians.

What happened?

Which is besides the point anyways.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What happened?

Which is besides the point anyways.

Read up on black September. Long complicated story short, they tried to overthrow jordanian govt/king, then got kicked out to Lebanon where they were big part in triggering the lebanese civil war.

 

[Goodfella]

Read up on black September. Long complicated story short, they tried to overthrow jordanian govt/king, then got kicked out to Lebanon where they were big part in triggering the lebanese civil war.

Interesting. Don't know what this has to do with Saudia Arabia and it's presence of Syrians or the lack thereof.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Interesting. Don't know what this has to do with Saudia Arabia and it's presence of Syrians or the lack thereof.

Taking on large numbers of refugees with militant elements is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Goodfella]

Taking on large numbers of refugees with militant elements is a recipe for disaster.

So, don't take refugees?

 

[Elvin]

So, don't take refugees?

try to avoid as much as possible.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

So, don't take refugees?

Yep spot on, that was exactly my point