Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (93 Viewers)

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Some can be isolationists', does not make them pro-authoritarian.

Non-withstanding the fact this stance is useful to autocrats world-wide.
There’s a term for that, featuring the word “useful”.
Also I don’t think he’s an isolationist. he wasn’t against Iraq war for instance. I don’t think he has any specific ideology at all. He just wants to create a non-conformist brand for himself.
 

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Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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There’s a term for that, featuring the word “useful”.
Also I don’t think he’s an isolationist. he wasn’t against Iraq war for instance. I don’t think he has any specific ideology at all. He just wants to create a non-conformist brand for himself.
Lol yeah in this case he definitely is. I don't know his all history just saying not wanting to intervene in other countries business is a legitimate stance in my book

I agree and i somewhat stand there myself, but tucker, though i do like some of his takes, is playing political chess, since biden is using putin as his scapegoat for all his obvious failures, tucker and his likes on the right are presenting the invasion as somewhat the fault of dems and biden as counter weight. So it's not out of love for putin imo but I still find this morally reprehensible, but that's politics.
Yeah I see what you mean. I wasn't exactly talking just about him specifically. I enjoy his takes mostly on internal/topical topics (Even if for entertainment purposes only) but yeah I guess I wouldn't agree with most of what he knows/have to stay on world news.
 
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Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Man, why can’t we get a president like Zelensky here?
He was not that popular before the war. I did not vote for him, despised him as a comic, but mainly I did not like his rhetoric about Russia. His main message was quote "we just need to stop shooting", talk with putin, and peace will come. Anyone with a functioning brain knew that there is no peaceful resolution with Russia. I am glad that he came around, but I am afraid the price is a bit too steep.
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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He was not that popular before the war. I did not vote for him, despised him as a comic, but mainly I did not like his rhetoric about Russia. His main message was quote "we just need to stop shooting", talk with putin, and peace will come. Anyone with a functioning brain knew that there is no peaceful resolution with Russia. I am glad that he came around, but I am afraid the price is a bit too steep.
Can I ask what kind of Russian demands you can live with? specifically would you be willing to loose territory in eastern Ukraine? all this of course in the hypothetical case that everything else would be guaranteed like rest of Ukraine integrity etc.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Can I ask what kind of Russian demands you can live with? specifically would you be willing to loose territory in eastern Ukraine? all this of course in the hypothetical case that everything else would be guaranteed like rest of Ukraine integrity etc.
I live in Eastern Ukraine. Russians can fuck off. Not because it's postering. It's because Russia won't stop, ever, until you stop them. "Civilized world" asked us to respect Russia concerns and live with Russia demands after Crimea, then after Donbass, look where it got us.
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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I live in Eastern Ukraine. Russians can fuck off. Not because it's postering. It's because Russia won't stop, ever, until you stop them. "Civilized world" asked us to respect Russia concerns and live with Russia demands after Crimea, then after Donbass, look where it got us.
:lol: That's fair. Indeed
 

BayernFan

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Feb 17, 2016
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He was not that popular before the war. I did not vote for him, despised him as a comic, but mainly I did not like his rhetoric about Russia. His main message was quote "we just need to stop shooting", talk with putin, and peace will come. Anyone with a functioning brain knew that there is no peaceful resolution with Russia. I am glad that he came around, but I am afraid the price is a bit too steep.
If he really said all this, then it's even more mind boggling how Putin wanted to get rid of him.

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Russian gulags gonna be in full swing. Putin borrowing from the Stalinist bag of tricks. Really too bad Russia possesses nukes. Would be great to see NATO finally destroy these fucks.
Like I said a few times, Russia needs a beating the same way the Germans got in the final years of WW2. Russia is a nation that needs to get humbled as well it seems.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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If he really said all this, then it's even more mind boggling how Putin wanted to get rid of him.
That's maybe because you are looking for some cunning KGB-5-dimension justification There is none. Putin is just a senile fan of philosopher (if we can call him that, his philosophy it's a boring version of Christian fascism, it's appallingly dumb tbh) Ivan Ilyin, and for that fascistic fuck Ukrainians did not exist. That's it.
 

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