Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (39 Viewers)

Kopanja

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They tried to play the "democratization" game after the fall of USSR and integrate themselves into the Western society but they just can't shake that mentality of theirs and as a result we are witnessing the "iron curtains".
I am pretty confident that atm in time democracy doesn't fit Russia, it was inevitable. It's not because democracy is bad, is just Russia is an empire that is kept together by fear, force, and conquest. There is very little common ground between the muslim population of Chechnya, metropolitan "Europeans" of St.Peterburg and Altaians for example. E.g. there is no nation in the Russian Federation, only the population of an empire.
 

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If NATO joins, and imo chances are higher than ever, it's surely a huge scale war. They surely will attack Baltic countries. I don't like where this is leading.
They still can't send MIG's to Ukrainians because Americans doesn't want to give f-16 to Poland in exchange :sergio:

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More likely they will go for Moldova or something then a NATO member no?
Putin is a pussy, he will never attack NATO countries first,he knows that NATO forces will destroy Russia

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Air Serbia will reduce the number of flights to Moscow as it has been criticized for increasing the number of flights amid European sanctions, the president of the republic said. He lamented that Turkey and Arab countries continue to fly, but they are not criticized
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Kopanja

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If NATO joins, and imo chances are higher than ever, it's surely a huge scale war. They surely will attack Baltic countries. I don't like where this is leading.
NATO won't join unless Russia attacks NATO country (won't happen) or Russia do something even more depraved – chemiclas, bio, tactical nukes (possible). Conventional war between Russia and NATO according to my estmiation is going to take ~6 hours, maybe a day. Russia has no chance at all.
 

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NATO won't join unless Russia attacks NATO country (won't happen) or Russia do something even more depraved – chemiclas, bio, tactical nukes (possible). Conventional war between Russia and NATO according to my estmiation is going to take ~6 hours, maybe a day. Russia has no chance at all.
That's exactly why I wrote it. A couple of days ago drone TU-141 crashed in Zagreb. From what I've heard it's a scouting drone. It was flying over Hungary for like 40 minutes and then 4 minutes over Croatia where it crashed due to either malfunction or lack of fuel. When it crashed they said it's an Ukranian drone and how they only have it. But latest I heard is how they found traces od explosive in it and now NATO will investigate whether it came from Ukraine or Russia. My guess it will be the latter. And that seems like a reason escalate it.
 

Kopanja

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That's exactly why I wrote it. A couple of days ago drone TU-141 crashed in Zagreb. From what I've heard it's a scouting drone. It was flying over Hungary for like 40 minutes and then 4 minutes over Croatia where it crashed due to either malfunction or lack of fuel. When it crashed they said it's an Ukranian drone and how they only have it. But latest I heard is how they found traces od explosive in it and now NATO will investigate whether it came from Ukraine or Russia. My guess it will be the latter. And that seems like a reason escalate it.
Nah, it's probably a malfunctioning old drone, nothing more to it. No one in NATO wants this war. It's a high risk - zero reward for them. No one wants to deal with Russia collapse, tons of nukes in hands of local feudals it's just a nightmare scenario.
 

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Nah, it's probably a malfunctioning old drone, nothing more to it. No one in NATO wants this war. It's a high risk - zero reward for them. No one wants to deal with Russia collapse, tons of nukes in hands of local feudals it's just a nightmare scenario.
You think they wouldn't do shit IF in the end they say it's a Russian drone? Even if it's a malfunction? But you've got a point of high risk - zero reward.
 
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That's exactly why I wrote it. A couple of days ago drone TU-141 crashed in Zagreb. From what I've heard it's a scouting drone. It was flying over Hungary for like 40 minutes and then 4 minutes over Croatia where it crashed due to either malfunction or lack of fuel. When it crashed they said it's an Ukranian drone and how they only have it. But latest I heard is how they found traces od explosive in it and now NATO will investigate whether it came from Ukraine or Russia. My guess it will be the latter. And that seems like a reason escalate it.
It wasn't Russian drone
Plenkovic said a Soviet-era Tu-141 “Strizh” reconnaissance drone flew for over 40 minutes over Hungary and six to seven minutes over Croatia before crashing. Earlier, Romanian defense authorities said the drone was in Romania’s airspace for only three minutes after crossing from Ukraine, making it hard to intercept
Military experts say Ukraine is the only known current operator of the Tu-141, which has a wingspan of nearly 4 meters (12 feet) and weighs just over 6 tons.The Tupolev Tu-141 Strizh is a Soviet reconnaissance drone that historically served with the Soviet Red Army during the late 1970s and 1980s, as well as the Ukrainian Armed Forces since 2014.
 

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It wasn't Russian drone
Plenkovic said a Soviet-era Tu-141 “Strizh” reconnaissance drone flew for over 40 minutes over Hungary and six to seven minutes over Croatia before crashing. Earlier, Romanian defense authorities said the drone was in Romania’s airspace for only three minutes after crossing from Ukraine, making it hard to intercept
Military experts say Ukraine is the only known current operator of the Tu-141, which has a wingspan of nearly 4 meters (12 feet) and weighs just over 6 tons.
What I don't get is how neither Romania, Hungary nor Croatia noticed a fucking drone flying for over 40 minutes lol, what the fuck... I also think it doesn't fly very high in the sky.
 

Kopanja

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You think they wouldn't do shit IF in the end they say it's a Russian drone? Even if it's a malfunction? But you've got a point of high risk - zero reward.
Who they? NATO? If so you are trying too hard to somehow drag NATO into it. I am all for it though, war would end very quickly, so keep up a good work.
 

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What I don't get is how neither Romania, Hungary nor Croatia noticed a fucking drone flying for over 40 minutes lol, what the fuck... I also think it doesn't fly very high in the sky.
Generally the lower it flys the harder it is to locate

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Who they? NATO? If so you are trying too hard to somehow drag NATO into it. I am all for it though, war would end very quickly, so keep up a good work.
Yeah, countries violate other countries air space all the time, it never leads to anything
 

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Who they? NATO? If so you are trying too hard to somehow drag NATO into it. I am all for it though, war would end very quickly, so keep up a good work.
Yeah, NATO. I'm not trying anything, you're going into theories for no reason. I was wondering and asking if people think NATO would join if it ends up being a Russian thing, since they found the black box and traces of explosive last night.
 
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What I don't get is how neither Romania, Hungary nor Croatia noticed a fucking drone flying for over 40 minutes lol, what the fuck... I also think it doesn't fly very high in the sky.
And it's not a "drone" by its look, it's a semi airplane by its size :rofl: how on earth the NATO radars didn't notice this thing
 

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Dostoevsky

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And it's not a "drone" by its look, it's a semi airplane by its size :rofl: how on earth the NATO radars didn't notice this thing
It is a drone but it's just 50 years old so it's literally huge. Back then it was innovative but now it looks like shit and has 6 tonnes. Even if doesn't carry a bomb, because apparently it's a scouting drone, it could have crashed into a building quite easily because in that area there are shitloads of them I think.
 

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