Rock and Voll All Nite: The Mafia Strikes the Music Industry (6 Viewers)

Völler

Always spot on
May 6, 2012
23,091
We didnt need to take the risk when it was a numbers game.
Yeah, but later on.

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Oh yeah, why did you investigate me btw @Völler? :D
Combination of things. You missed a few things that I thought you'd normally pick up on. Also, I excluded Fred and Alen because I assumed they'd be prime whack targets and Klin and Maddy because I thought it would point towards me. That being said, investigating you narrowed down the possible detectives quite a bit. :D

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They told you that ?
No. :D
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,879
For future notice... I think the main mistake was made by Kyle. The lawyer is a civilian but also the most dangerous player for the civilians. If the gs recruit the lawyer it's usually game over and G win. Kyle literally sais that he's the lawyer and with that he lost the game... well, if not for the super luck. As a c i'd always prefer the lawyer dead asap. Anyway, for future notice, the lawyer must never tell his role publicly, even if he's about to get lynched.
 

X Æ A-12

Senior Member
Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
87,931
For future notice... I think the main mistake was made by Kyle. The lawyer is a civilian but also the most dangerous player for the civilians. If the gs recruit the lawyer it's usually game over and G win. Kyle literally sais that he's the lawyer and with that he lost the game... well, if not for the super luck. As a c i'd always prefer the lawyer dead asap. Anyway, for future notice, the lawyer must never tell his role publicly, even if he's about to get lynched.
you do remember why I did that right?
 

X Æ A-12

Senior Member
Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
87,931
I think it sounds good under ideal circumstances but look at the end of last game. There was nothing to discuss for several days. Voller posted a name and people voted for it.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,879
you do remember why I did that right?
It really doesn't matter. You can be accused by a C or by a G and find yourself cornered. But if you're a lawyer, you simply must not reveal your role because once you're recruited the game is 99% finished with a G win.

I did exactly the same thing in one of the very first games. Faced with lynching I revealed my role. Then the Cs were lucky because I wasn't recruited. This time you were recruited.

In any case, it's not a critic towards you. It's just an advice for every player that might be the lawyer in the future.

And one more thing which I think that needs to be highlighted. In this last game I said 2-3 times that one doesn't really die once he's lynched. I understand that basic instinct for survival. On top of it, it's a game that people want to play as long as possible. But it's a team game. Maddy said so many times how I only play for myself, and people do have that impression. The fact is, and Fred and many others can confirm it, that I'm always ready to take a bullet for the greater good. Fred was doing it too in the past.
If you're a G and the recruiter or crooked cop is in danger, you make yourself a bigger suspect so you'd protect the more important Gs. If you're a lawyer and you know how important your role is for the Gs, you do the best for your C team - first by hiding your role and then by preferring to get lynched instead of another C. The normal Cs have the least to lose, so they shouldn't really be afraid in this game. Paranoia is a normal thing, especially among normal Cs, but once again - you don't really die, so it's much better to try to be logical instead of paranoid.

And in the end, I'm convinced that for the first days three way ties are the best way to go. It can easily happen that 3 civilians will be included in the tie, but that's the best chance we have. The Gs usually have to make a move if a G is involved and only that way we can do something useful before the D does his magic.

P.S: Oh, and never let Fresh play. NEVER!
 

Völler

Always spot on
May 6, 2012
23,091
And one more thing which I think that needs to be highlighted. In this last game I said 2-3 times that one doesn't really die once he's lynched. I understand that basic instinct for survival. On top of it, it's a game that people want to play as long as possible. But it's a team game. Maddy said so many times how I only play for myself, and people do have that impression. The fact is, and Fred and many others can confirm it, that I'm always ready to take a bullet for the greater good. Fred was doing it too in the past.
When you claimed that j0ker was the BG in this game, it was because you wanted to survive. You may claim that it could have potentially been useful, but the reality is that more often than not it's creating a mess for the C's. And as you said, you only did it because you thought you would get whacked.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,879
When you claimed that j0ker was the BG in this game, it was because you wanted to survive. You may claim that it could have potentially been useful, but the reality is that more often than not it's creating a mess for the C's. And as you said, you only did it because you thought you would get whacked.
Whacking is different. It sucks when you play the game knowing that it will last for a day or two just because you'll be whacked.

As for what I did, the Cs are in mess anyway. They are not organized and they know nothing until the D starts leading them. What I did was useless only because I failed to include a G in the three way and because most of the players didn't want to think logically. If they did, they'd have realized that I can't be a G. So instead of realizing that Joker and I are Cs and they should look elsewhere, everyone did the opposite and considered me and Joker the main suspects.
Again, it was a natural reaction, but we play this game for years now so we should be improving and know better.

You actually played well that day, especially considering your role. You did think that what I was saying made perfect sense, and only when it came between me and Joker you rightfully decided to lynch the one who was more likely to be a G between the two.

P.S: And Joker :D Right when I saved him I proposed a plan to him how should we play tomorrow. But the mofo was convinced that I'm a G who wants to fool him.
 

Bezzy

The Bookie Queen
Jun 5, 2010
20,827
This was the first time i was sure you were a c Alen. further you are right without Voller we would have been death. Still unbelievable that we didn't lynch dodo the first day. He was lucky he was a rookie. Right then I knew Fred was a G too. I even repped fred to tell him that :lol:
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
Whacking is different. It sucks when you play the game knowing that it will last for a day or two just because you'll be whacked.

As for what I did, the Cs are in mess anyway. They are not organized and they know nothing until the D starts leading them. What I did was useless only because I failed to include a G in the three way and because most of the players didn't want to think logically. If they did, they'd have realized that I can't be a G. So instead of realizing that Joker and I are Cs and they should look elsewhere, everyone did the opposite and considered me and Joker the main suspects.
Again, it was a natural reaction, but we play this game for years now so we should be improving and know better.

You actually played well that day, especially considering your role. You did think that what I was saying made perfect sense, and only when it came between me and Joker you rightfully decided to lynch the one who was more likely to be a G between the two.

P.S: And Joker :D Right when I saved him I proposed a plan to him how should we play tomorrow. But the mofo was convinced that I'm a G who wants to fool him.
Come on dude, that was 100% selfish on your part :D
 

Völler

Always spot on
May 6, 2012
23,091
Come on dude, that was 100% selfish on your part :D
Indeed, coyote. :agree:

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You actually played well that day, especially considering your role. You did think that what I was saying made perfect sense, and only when it came between me and Joker you rightfully decided to lynch the one who was more likely to be a G between the two.
I did what I did mainly to avoid getting whacked. I even contradicted myself in the process. The purpose was to be aggressive, hoping the G's would think a detective wouldn't do something as daring as that. :D
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,879
Come on dude, that was 100% selfish on your part :D
It wasn't. In the game before this one I was whacked as a BG on day 2 because I was protecting the D, even though the D didn't go public with his role. Apart from my own safety, I also play for the team.

I used the PM lie very late in the game. If the Gs wanted to whack me on day 1 they would have done it with or without the lie. I did it mostly for the next day. I protected myself from being whacked but I made myself a strong candidate for lynching. I knew that this will happen. Then I planned to defend myself with the truth.
But if people bought my explanation on day 2 (and I was telling the truth) the Cs would have gotten 2 clear civilians and looked for the Gs elsewhere.

Eventually, lynching Joker on day 1 and then Blondu on day 2 (with me staying quiet) made no difference from Blondu on day 1 and me on day 2. But with the former we were simply gonna lynch 2 people without trying anything at all on the way.

It makes no sense to just wait and hope that the D will investigate a G on day 1 or day 2. We must try to do something more than that. If you also save your ass on the way, even better :D
 

blondu

Grazie Ale
Nov 9, 2006
27,408
but you didn't find out anything, i was a real c, you pushed people for voting me.. more than that dodo got away because votes were split between me and joker.
 

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