Roberto Pereyra (30 Viewers)

[Scottish]

In today's market buying Pereyra for that price was a good deal. I didn't see much of him in Udine but since he's come here he's shown some real positives which have been listed by others before so I won't bother. That performance in Dortmund really showed a glimpse of something we've been missing. Was he only playing so well because we were working well as a unit? Here's hoping that he turns out to be the kind of player who steps up to the big games regardless of how the rest of the team is playing.

I'm excited to see the kind of player he can become. That price at the time was good, because it included his potential. After a year or two we'll see if he delivers on that part.

 

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[Hust]

He already adds value to the team, that's not what i'm saying. He is an important piece to a team that aims to win on both Europe and Domestic fronts. He can do many roles making him very important to our depth. I'm not bashing him here.

But i can't help to still feel he lacks that little something that makes a player somehow special. If he's to be our next season's Trequartista (which i doubt seeing as Allegri preferred Sneijder over him for the role), he needs that consistency and a little more aggressivity. The assists he's been getting lately, that's his job. But can he maintain that level of performance every week? We'll see.

Bolded: Good. We agree.

Italicized: He is still a bit rough around the edges, I don't think anyone will disagree with you there but my biggest defense of him is how well & quickly he is improving with his performances. Depending on the position he plays in each game makes a big difference too. We know he is better as a CM which is why Allegri wanted Sneijder whom is more tailored to the AM role than Pereyra, but that doesn't mean he is susceptible to criticism simply because Allegri preferred an actual AM instead of converting a midfielder into a AM. That isn't fair. That's like judging Aasamoah as a LB and compairing him to an actual LB we want to buy and blaming Asamoah for the coach preferring an actual LB instead of converting a CM into one. Makes no sense.

 

[KB824]

I think that with the case of Pereyra, is that a lot of us are comparing him to other depth signings that have taken place in the last few seasons.

In my opinion, the depth signings of the past were merely to be, shall we say, placeholders. Very safe types of players, where you can play them a few matches here and there against the smaller clubs, maybe a Coppa Match or two. Matches or situations where there can not be any harm done.


The situation with Roberto is vastly different though. Depth players of the past would certainly have not gotten the amount of run that he has in the past few months. Some may say that it is because of injuries or poor form from other players or what not, but the fact remains that depth players of the past would not have played the amount of minutes that he has in important matches. He brings something different. He doesn't merely just hold down a spot, he can allow the coach to have more options, not just throwing him out there and hoping he doesn't screw up, which I know, from being on this forum for at least a decade, that it was always the best that we could hope for when a depth player was inserted into the starting XI.

They certainly would not have played in without a shadow of a doubt the most important match of the year so far, in arguably the most hostile environment this club has played in, and not only played the full match, but was a protagonist. Regardless of the form that was being displayed by Borussia Dortmund, the fact that he played, and played very well in a match that had credibility and financial implications for Juve, says something about him, and it speaks volumes as to how the coach and management view him.


Giaccherini, as adorable and hard working as he was, would have never ever seen the pitch for either one of those round of 16 matches, and wouldn't even be on the bench for the Monaco ties.


Do I think he's world class? No.

Will he ever be? Doubt it

Is he a good player that is getting better? Certainly.


And you can't understate what it means to have him selected to the National Team. This isn't like being selected for Italy, where the well is pretty dry. Argentina is one of the top teams in the world, so it has to say something when he gets selected.

 

[Hust]

I think that with the case of Pereyra, is that a lot of us are comparing him to other depth signings that have taken place in the last few seasons.

In my opinion, the depth signings of the past were merely to be, shall we say, placeholders. Very safe types of players, where you can play them a few matches here and there against the smaller clubs, maybe a Coppa Match or two. Matches or situations where there can not be any harm done.


The situation with Roberto is vastly different though. Depth players of the past would certainly have not gotten the amount of run that he has in the past few months. Some may say that it is because of injuries or poor form from other players or what not, but the fact remains that depth players of the past would not have played the amount of minutes that he has in important matches. He brings something different. He doesn't merely just hold down a spot, he can allow the coach to have more options, not just throwing him out there and hoping he doesn't screw up, which I know, from being on this forum for at least a decade, that it was always the best that we could hope for when a depth player was inserted into the starting XI.

They certainly would not have played in without a shadow of a doubt the most important match of the year so far, in arguably the most hostile environment this club has played in, and not only played the full match, but was a protagonist. Regardless of the form that was being displayed by Borussia Dortmund, the fact that he played, and played very well in a match that had credibility and financial implications for Juve, says something about him, and it speaks volumes as to how the coach and management view him.


Giaccherini, as adorable and hard working as he was, would have never ever seen the pitch for either one of those round of 16 matches, and wouldn't even be on the bench for the Monaco ties.


Do I think he's world class? No.

Will he ever be? Doubt it

Is he a good player that is getting better? Certainly.


And you can't understate what it means to have him selected to the National Team. This isn't like being selected for Italy, where the well is pretty dry. Argentina is one of the top teams in the world, so it has to say something when he gets selected.

Exactly. Watching them in person yesterday sealed the deal for me and any reservations I might have had. Not only did he hold his own at Juve but he meshed well with his National Team and they are absolutely LOADED in attack.

 

[Lion]

What Pereyrya has that the rest of the squad doesnt atleast not as much is hunger.

he is the only signing in the team that hasnt won a title yet.

that i think is enough drive to motivate him to up his game when it matters

 

[Scottish]

What Pereyrya has that the rest of the squad doesnt atleast not as much is hunger.

he is the only signing in the team that hasnt won a title yet.

that i think is enough drive to motivate him to up his game when it matters

That is an excellent point.

 

[Osman]

And you can't understate what it means to have him selected to the National Team. This isn't like being selected for Italy, where the well is pretty dry. Argentina is one of the top teams in the world, so it has to say something when he gets selected.

I wouldnt exactly say Argentina's well for midfielders are too impressive either.. He is pretty much the youngest player in the squad (atleast amongst the names I recognize), and defenitely deserves his spot, so thats good. But Argentina's midfield selection's quality is not impressive enough to warrant those kind of words (its their attacking options that make them a top team mainly). They usually have quite mediocre/decent call ups for quite a while now. Amongst the midfielders they have two top players in Di Maria and Mascerano, rest are between mid level good players to decent/alright players (Biglia, Enzo), inconistent but potentially quality players (Pastore )or just meeeeh (Banega, Maxi).

 

[Vlad]

In today's market buying Pereyra for that price was a good deal. I didn't see much of him in Udine but since he's come here he's shown some real positives which have been listed by others before so I won't bother. That performance in Dortmund really showed a glimpse of something we've been missing. Was he only playing so well because we were working well as a unit? Here's hoping that he turns out to be the kind of player who steps up to the big games regardless of how the rest of the team is playing.

I'm excited to see the kind of player he can become. That price at the time was good, because it included his potential. After a year or two we'll see if he delivers on that part.

Everyone who has been watching a fair number of Serie A games in the last few seasons could have seen from the first hand what kind of player Pereyra really is, what qualities he possesses, are these going to suit our playing style, where he fits in, will he gives us more apects to our game, etc.. and for those Bobby was an excellent signing. Young, talented and skillful player, capable of occupying multiple position on the pitch and even excelling in some. So far he's been having a wonderful season, one of our rare players able to beat several of his markers with blistering pace, unpredictable dribbles and expectedly became starting attacking mid for Italian champs, maybe even CL semifinalist for that matter. Not an irrelevant feat mind you. His future is here as a starting AM, needs to improve his finishing a bit, but that as well I'm certain he'll get the knack of, eventually. Champion in making.

On the other hand posers like Osman, ignorant mofos that gather most of their infos on football forums, etc... instead of seeing an actual football match every now and then, absolutelly couldn't give you an informed opinion regarding Argentinian and certainly made fools of themselves during the summer. Nothing wrong in making a error in judgment, but it takes being man to admit one, something that Osman isn't. Sissy.

 

[MikeM]

The flaw in that method is that every player who doesn't match the output of 'random player' for a particular price tag is then overpriced. There are several factors for determining the transfer value of a player.

Exactly. And De Bruyne was overpriced since we got Tevez for 12M.

But Tevez himself was overpriced since we got Pogba for 0M.

 

[Vlad]

Exactly. And De Bruyne was overpriced since we got Tevez for 12M.

But Tevez himself was overpriced since we got Pogba for 0M.

 

[Ocelot]

Everyone who has been watching a fair number of Serie A games in the last few seasons could have seen from the first hand what kind of player Pereyra really is, what qualities he possesses, are these going to suit our playing style, where he fits in, will he gives us more apects to our game, etc.. and for those Bobby was an excellent signing. Young, talented and skillful player, capable of occupying multiple position on the pitch and even excelling in some. So far he's been having a wonderful season, one of our rare players able to beat several of his markers with blistering pace, unpredictable dribbles and expectedly became starting attacking mid for Italian champs, maybe even CL semifinalist for that matter. Not an irrelevant feat mind you. His future is here as a starting AM, needs to improve his finishing a bit, but that as well I'm certain he'll get the knack of, eventually. Champion in making.

On the other hand posers like Osman, ignorant mofos that gather most of their infos on football forums, etc... instead of seeing an actual football match every now and then, absolutelly couldn't give you an informed opinion regarding Argentinian and certainly made fools of themselves during the summer. Nothing wrong in making a error in judgment, but it takes being man to admit one, something that Osman isn't. Sissy.

Being arrogant can work if you're as hilarious at it as Zach is on his best day, but this is just cringeworthy. You're not doing yourself a favor here.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

I wouldnt exactly say Argentina's well for midfielders are too impressive either.. He is pretty much the youngest player in the squad (atleast amongst the names I recognize), and defenitely deserves his spot, so thats good. But Argentina's midfield selection's quality is not impressive enough to warrant those kind of words (its their attacking options that make them a top team mainly). They usually have quite mediocre/decent call ups for quite a while now. Amongst the midfielders they have two top players in Di Maria and Mascerano, rest are between mid level good players to decent/alright players (Biglia, Enzo), inconistent but potentially quality players (Pastore )or just meeeeh (Banega, Maxi).

Exactly. And it's important to highlight being called doesn't guarantee Pereyra anything. It only means he's one of the many players from SA nations who are being tested before the Copa América. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now if he does amazingly good with the very few minutes he'll get, that's another story.

 

[Osman]

Yep. But I think he will make it consistently for the NT, because in general the selection is bit dry for them a bit because unlike the other top nations, they have dont have too many of their midfielders in the European leagues (let alone ones playing for a top side like Pereyra). Dont know how it is for their domestic leagues, but assume not too many ready made quality players there since they generally leave their league early if they deemed good enough. One of couple domestic players called up is the old Maxi Rodriguez. The other midfielder is one I dont recognize called Mancuello.


P.S Wtf I hope he is injured, I just noticed they didnt even call up my 2nd fav favourite argentina midfielder Gaitan.

 

[Vlad]

Being arrogant can work if you're as hilarious at it as Zach is on his best day, but this is just cringeworthy. You're not doing yourself a favor here.

Being on the fence all the time is cringworthy and you certainly have the habbit of doing that. Red or JJ can pull it off, as most brits can.

 

[Post Ironic]

Comparing the Pereyra signing to De Bruyne or Vidal is just stupid. Those are outliers. As is Tevez for 12 mil. As is Pogba for free. Etc. Etc.

If you talk about De Bruyne, of course no one knew just how good he would be for Wolfsburg, or Chelsea clearly wouldn't have let him go so easily. People thought he was just another young player who wasn't living up to his potential. He has now.

No one would have known Vidal would explode like he did here into one of the top B2B mids in the world, or Leverkusen never would have sold him for the price they did.

Tevez for 12 mil. We could have just as easily had a player who remained in his ManCity form. If he was playing like he has here, ManCity never would have let him go for such a price.

Pereyra is an excellent signing for 15-17 million. He's not some crazy bargain yet. But he's clearly easily worth that price and by no means did we pay too much for him. He's just turned 24, he's improving weekly, he's certainly got some skill, and some intelligence, and he's a very hard worker. He lacks end product at the moment. His price point is obviously that 15-20 mil range.

 

[Vlad]

Pereyra is an excellent signing for 15-17 million. He's not some crazy bargain yet. But he's clearly easily worth that price and by no means did we pay too much for him. He's just turned 24, he's improving weekly, he's certainly got some skill, and some intelligence, and he's a very hard worker. He lacks end product at the moment. His price point is obviously that 15-20 mil range.

I think it was a fair estimate last summer. Seeing that 15m became kinda random price these days, considering his age, versatility, then option to loan him for a season and make payments in few installments afterwards have probably increased the price even more. Definitely wasn't a bargain, but for someone initially brought here to be a bench player, or at least in the beginning that was supposed to be his role, to rest Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba or Marchisio, he's been rather instrumental so far and at this point his market value could be set higher imho.

 

[Hydde]

He and Tevez are our most constant dribblers. Pogba is good at dribbling too, but Tevez nd Pereyra are very quick and very direct at it, making them tricky players to mark,

 

[rakib567]

Him and Tevez should be starters for Argentina.

 

[Nzoric]

What does it mean?

Osman just fucked his moma

 

[ALC]

Osman just fucked his moma

Oh God! I knew he was a sick bastard but this is too much!