Roberto Pereyra (39 Viewers)

[Bianconero_Aus]

Yep but first thing first, no choice this one, but he has no business starting as AM after this season. This season the priority was for attack with Morata, this summer should be a AM for proper creativity outlet.

I'd love to see a 4-3-3 instead and us looking to sign wingers, but yeah nah, not gonna happen.

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This is how you know that you're really pissed off. Resorting to cussing in Serbian even though its not your maternal tongue ! Damn.

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[Osman]

He scares me a bit as an authentic CM when he comes deep, he tries to dribble everything and it's risky. He's probably best as an advanced mezz'ala, his dribbling speed and energy cause problems.

CM to the sides, mezza'ala as you say, thats basically his utility midfield role, because as you say, as proper CM who can maintain things deep is not his forté because his first instinct is allways to run with the ball. He is not all that good of instinctive spread around the ball passer, one touch or otherwise. Get the ball and dribble/run is his solution to most sitautions. Thats why he is best used in a role where he gets to do alot of running off the ball besides when he has space to run with it aswell.

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I'd love to see a 4-3-3 instead and us looking to sign wingers, but yeah nah, not gonna happen.

Me too, but its no point talking about it, we wasted breath on that long enough past years, especially now as long as Tevez is here, that is not a formation that suits him, wide position. Plus Allegri really doesnt show any indication he is interested in that at all (besides couple of coppa games where he was kinda forced to go for that), even if he is more flexible then most give him credit for.

 

[Vlad]

Yep but first thing first, no choice this one, but he has no business starting as AM after this season. This season the priority was for attack with Morata, this summer should be a AM for proper creativity outlet.

 

[Osman]

 

[ALC]

now you're making me like you. Wtf!

 

[Klin]

now you're making me like you. Wtf!

That's impossible.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Lol settle down, Pereyra has had a good run of games, but that's all it is, as an all around utility midfielder when we have many absences. Still way off required effectivity level required for an AM, nor shown performances that screams 17m worthy (needs to actually execute plays more instead of almost do enough but fall short). But allround decent squad player to have that's improving the more he gets settled.

Most members here are easily amused by the smallest things. I wonder if some people here have seen the likes of Maradona or Romário play week in, week out they'd be in constant orgasm mode.

We definitely still need that creative go-to guy if we're to keep playing this formation. Although Pereyra is surely progressing and doing his job for the team, the same amount was paid for De Bruyne, a player who's highly creative and skilled. That's the kind of player we need for that role. Pereyra is a better Padoin of sorts.

 

[Osman]

Pretty much, get a decisive and consistent quality AM and use him in the way we did before we changed to 4-3-1-2 (where he has to start alot due to lack of options for that role), backup to all the CMs. Or take Pepe's ulility winger role in the squad, with the added bonus of being more versatile.


Padoin is pretty useless throw him in whatever emergency role thats needed or "wth, throw him last 3 mins" player, Pereyra would be alot more useful just being regurarly rotated in tightly scheduled parts of the season to rest the starters.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Oh no, i meant a Padoin of sorts as he can play many roles in many different situations, not talent wise. Pereyra is definitely a good player to have when you need depth.

But that's it. Some people here are acting all mighty and shit saying he was a bargain, i strongly disagree. A 20m De Bruyne, that was a bargain. Until he starts doing what De Bruyne does week in week out, he's still considered overpriced.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Oh no, i meant a Padoin of sorts as he can play many roles in many different situations, not talent wise. Pereyra is definitely a good player to have when you need depth.

But that's it. Some people here are acting all mighty and shit saying he was a bargain, i strongly disagree. A 20m De Bruyne, that was a bargain. Until he starts doing what De Bruyne does week in week out, he's still considered overpriced.

 

[JuveJay]

But that's it. Some people here are acting all mighty and shit saying he was a bargain, i strongly disagree. A 20m De Bruyne, that was a bargain. Until he starts doing what De Bruyne does week in week out, he's still considered overpriced.

The flaw in that method is that every player who doesn't match the output of 'random player' for a particular price tag is then overpriced. There are several factors for determining the transfer value of a player.

 

[Hust]

Well played

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Anyways: There is a reason why he was called up to the national team. Watching him in person I see why. He has come a long way and his development is only showing positive things and he continues to improve despite even the most negative & pessimistic people here. Watching Roma buy Iturbe for 30m, and other high profile players go for 20+m how can spending 16m on a player with potential and has consistently given to the current setup be deemed as too expensive?

The guy has an engine, strong drive, impressive dribbling and change of pace. Can also play in a couple of positions where he can contribue to the team in many forms. He is now starting to get more assists or at least getting the strikers some service they can work with.

16m is a good deal.

Fuck Nixon.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

The flaw in that method is that every player who doesn't match the output of 'random player' for a particular price tag is then overpriced. There are several factors for determining the transfer value of a player.

True but my comparison ends with De Bruyne and just because they were bought in the same window for a similar price and play a similar role for their teams. We've been seeing what De Bruyne can do since the beginning of this season, Pereyra is still progressing into what, we don't know.

Do you think 17m was a bargain?

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Well played

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Anyways: There is a reason why he was called up to the national team. Watching him in person I see why. He has come a long way and his development is only showing positive things and he continues to improve despite even the most negative & pessimistic people here. Watching Roma buy Iturbe for 30m, and other high profile players go for 20+m how can spending 16m on a player with potential and has consistently given to the current setup be deemed as too expensive?

The guy has an engine, strong drive, impressive dribbling and change of pace. Can also play in a couple of positions where he can contribue to the team in many forms. He is now starting to get more assists or at least getting the strikers some service they can work with.

16m is a good deal.

Fuck Nixon.

Pereyra impressive dribbling? change of pace? Come on, i like the guy now and even stopped making our old Almost jokes but let's take it down a notch with the exaggerated overpraising, yes?

 

[Hust]

Pereyra impressive dribbling? change of pace? Come on, i like the guy now and even stopped making our old Almost jokes but let's take it down a notch with the exaggerated overpraising, yes?

How can you say it's overrating when someone says he has consistently improved? Have you not seen some of his runs down through the middle? He isn't Ronaldo but he does quite well at pulling away from players (change of pace) and is getting better at turning defenders, etc (dribbling).

Deny it, of course you will, but I'm willing to argue all day about it if necessary.

 

[JuveJay]

True but my comparison ends with De Bruyne and just because they were bought in the same window for a similar price and play a similar role for their teams. We've been seeing what De Bruyne can do since the beginning of this season, Pereyra is still progressing into what, we don't know.

Do you think 17m was a bargain?

I think it's €15.5m total, but I've said many times that this is a pretty generic price for a player of this age and ability, if you are buying from an established Serie A club with no financial problems. If Udinese were in trouble he'd go for €10m, less if they were relegated, but then why would we be looking to sign him in that case. Allan will cost the same, anyone who does well there will. Palermo will be the same, Sampdoria, Fiorentina, Genoa, whoever.

Signing players under those circumstances costs a set fee, for someone like De Bruyne there was never going to be any ransom because he obviously wanted to play somewhere, but what Chelsea do is buy players of the right age. That they can spend €30m a time on players and not worry so much about a loss is where we differ. But at least we are looking at players in that age range now.

It's no bargain, just the retail value. Only if he excels or flops can you look back in hindsight and talk about that, like any player.

 

[Hust]

I think it's €15.5m total, but I've said many times that this is a pretty generic price for a player of this age and ability, if you are buying from an established Serie A club with no financial problems. If Udinese were in trouble he'd go for €10m, less if they were relegated, but then why would we be looking to sign him in that case. Allan will cost the same, anyone who does well there will. Palermo will be the same, Sampdoria, Fiorentina, Genoa, whoever.

Signing players under those circumstances costs a set fee, for someone like De Bruyne there was never going to be any ransom because he obviously wanted to play somewhere, but what Chelsea do is buy players of the right age. That they can spend €30m a time on players and not worry so much about a loss is where we differ. But at least we are looking at players in that age range now.

It's no bargain, just the retail value. Only if he excels or flops can you look back in hindsight and talk about that, like any player.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

How can you say it's overrating when someone says he has consistently improved? Have you not seen some of his runs down through the middle? He isn't Ronaldo but he does quite well at pulling away from players (change of pace) and is getting better at turning defenders, etc (dribbling).

Deny it, of course you will, but I'm willing to argue all day about it if necessary.

His runs through the middle while nice to look at were manageable because his adversaries were marking other players and left him that space, don't get me wrong it's clever to find the space and go with it. But his dribbling skills are nothing to write home about, he's average at best.

 

[Hust]

His runs through the middle while nice to look at were manageable because his adversaries were marking other players and left him that space, don't get me wrong it's clever to find the space and go with it. But his dribbling skills are nothing to write home about, he's average at best.

His dribbling skills so far are nothing to write home about but his consistent improvement on them are. And wrong, he is above average and making his way to being a very reliable player that adds value to the team.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

I think it's €15.5m total, but I've said many times that this is a pretty generic price for a player of this age and ability, if you are buying from an established Serie A club with no financial problems. If Udinese were in trouble he'd go for €10m, less if they were relegated, but then why would we be looking to sign him in that case. Allan will cost the same, anyone who does well there will. Palermo will be the same, Sampdoria, Fiorentina, Genoa, whoever.

Signing players under those circumstances costs a set fee, for someone like De Bruyne there was never going to be any ransom because he obviously wanted to play somewhere, but what Chelsea do is buy players of the right age. That they can spend €30m a time on players and not worry so much about a loss is where we differ. But at least we are looking at players in that age range now.

It's no bargain, just the retail value. Only if he excels or flops can you look back in hindsight and talk about that, like any player.

I can agree with that.

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His dribbling skills so far are nothing to write home about but his consistent improvement on them are. And wrong, he is above average and making his way to being a very reliable player that adds value to the team.

He already adds value to the team, that's not what i'm saying. He is an important piece to a team that aims to win on both Europe and Domestic fronts. He can do many roles making him very important to our depth. I'm not bashing him here.

But i can't help to still feel he lacks that little something that makes a player somehow special. If he's to be our next season's Trequartista (which i doubt seeing as Allegri preferred Sneijder over him for the role), he needs that consistency and a little more aggressivity. The assists he's been getting lately, that's his job. But can he maintain that level of performance every week? We'll see.

 

[Ocelot]

I think it's €15.5m total, but I've said many times that this is a pretty generic price for a player of this age and ability, if you are buying from an established Serie A club with no financial problems. If Udinese were in trouble he'd go for €10m, less if they were relegated, but then why would we be looking to sign him in that case. Allan will cost the same, anyone who does well there will. Palermo will be the same, Sampdoria, Fiorentina, Genoa, whoever.

Signing players under those circumstances costs a set fee, for someone like De Bruyne there was never going to be any ransom because he obviously wanted to play somewhere, but what Chelsea do is buy players of the right age. That they can spend €30m a time on players and not worry so much about a loss is where we differ. But at least we are looking at players in that age range now.

It's no bargain, just the retail value. Only if he excels or flops can you look back in hindsight and talk about that, like any player.

Agree completely.

Pereyra wasn't some amazing bargain à la Vidal or De Bruyne, but 16 million is a solid price for a player with the ability he has shown the past few months. Count in his age and wage, and it's a good-great deal.