Road to WC2006 (14 Viewers)

[Snoop]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


All very good reasons for sympathising with a nation if/when you get to see them play; but to actively follow the nation, become a die-hard fan, sleep in the jersey, spend millions and travel thousands of miles to watch them play live... That's taking it too far as far as I'm concerned :undecide:

didn't you exaggerate Erik

that's rarely happens

 

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[Bjerknes]

So by some people's logic in this thread I should help support my Anglo-Saxon friends across the pond or Zee Germans just because I have heritage in both entities? Or should I help support Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Italy, and others just because they are predominately catholic nations? How does that make any sense at all Rami?

 

[Zé Tahir]

++ [ originally posted by snoop ] ++


I don't call them glory hunters also..

there is no rule that says you should support your own country,but it's just a sympathy you have toward your nation's team,something to be in blood.but if you don't have it,you are not a betrayer also,it's just a sport,people forget that in the end..

but some people take it even further,for example Nawaf,he feels sorry for Turkey's exit,because they are an Islamic country,sorry Nawaf but that's just rubbish ,but sadly that many Muslims feel that way also,if ot most of them..

I feel sorry for Turkey and Bahrain. And yes it is because I have that religious connection with them, it's not rubbish at all. These borders don't/can't fence our spiritual bond.

Besides, we are taught that every muslim is brother/sister to each other, so this is something even deaper.

 

[JCK]

++ [/ originally posted by Rami ] ++


Its not just sports Jack!! Most Muslims feel a bond between each other, even though they are fighting each other but its kinda like "ana o a5oya 3ala ibn 3ami, o ana o ibn 3ami 3al *3areeb" (me and my brother against our cousin, and me and my cousin against a stranger).....why do you think that all Muslims are Arabs are enraged from whats happening in Iraq and Palestine? This feeling of brethrenship is in all fields not sports. this might be a feeling alien to you, but it what we muslims feel. Hell the feeling is also intermixed and interwined between Muslim and Arab, if there was a non-muslim lebnaneese athelate I would cheer for him....Of course it will never be the way I root for Saudi, but the feeling is there....I hope I made my poing clear...

Yes you did, but still it is something I don't believe in. I do have support for the Palestinian case, a strong support as well and I do feel for Iraq but this does not stem from them being Arabs and I am an Arab. The problems in Iraq sadden me as much as the 9/11 incident saddens me.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

++ [ originally posted by Zé Tahir ] ++


I feel sorry for Turkey and Bahrain. And yes it is because I have that religious connection with them, it's not rubbish at all. These borders don't/can't fence our spiritual bond.

Besides, we are taught that every muslim is brother/sister to each other, so this is something even deaper.

what if they play each other?

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by RochemBeck ] ++
Or should I help support Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Italy, and others just because they are predominately catholic nations?

That sure would be a new development, I've never heard of anyone doing that.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by RochemBeck ] ++
So by some people's logic in this thread I should help support my Anglo-Saxon friends across the pond or Zee Germans just because I have heritage in both entities? Or should I help support Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Italy, and others just because they are predominately catholic nations? How does that make any sense at all Rami?

you feel the connection strongly when you are a minority

 

[GordoDeCentral]

++ [ originally posted by RochemBeck ] ++
So by some people's logic in this thread I should help support my Anglo-Saxon friends across the pond or Zee Germans just because I have heritage in both entities? Or should I help support Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Italy, and others just because they are predominately catholic nations? How does that make any sense at all Rami?

no it was rather to discredit what you had advanced. One is true to one's self if no matter where put their argument holds.

 

[Snoop]

++ [ originally posted by Rami ] ++


Its not just sports Jack!! Most Muslims feel a bond between each other, even though they are fighting each other but its kinda like "ana o a5oya 3ala ibn 3ami, o ana o ibn 3ami 3al *3areeb" (me and my brother against our cousin, and me and my cousin against a stranger).....why do you think that all Muslims are Arabs are enraged from whats happening in Iraq and Palestine? This feeling of brethrenship is in all fields not sports. this might be a feeling alien to you, but it what we muslims feel. Hell the feeling is also intermixed and interwined between Muslim and Arab, if there was a non-muslim lebnaneese athelate I would cheer for him....Of course it will never be the way I root for Saudi, but the feeling is there....I hope I made my poing clear...

you made it clear,but it's still not logical.you are mixing culture history religon all together with sport,like it is a war against Islam or something.and you (in general) think that christians feel it that way also.like elemenating Moroco for example when Brazil and norway played and Brazil lost. you see my point? this is not a war between religions or cultures or whatever,it's just a sport.

 

[Bjerknes]

This religious backing of national teams is absurd if you ask me...makes no sense at all. If we are going to do that we should just support football as whole instead of dividing people based on religion...that sounds like something religious extremists would think up.

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by RochemBeck ] ++
So by some people's logic in this thread I should help support my Anglo-Saxon friends across the pond or Zee Germans just because I have heritage in both entities? Or should I help support Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Italy, and others just because they are predominately catholic nations? How does that make any sense at all Rami?

It does not make sense to you nor to me because our religion teaches us in a different way than theirs.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++


That sure would be a new development, I've never heard of anyone doing that.

Well, that is what some members are suggesting here.

 

[Zé Tahir]

I don't think anyone supports them b/c they are "muslim" literally. it's more like a feeling that you gotta support your own brother and sister, that's how it feels.

@Andy: you won't understand this b/c quite frankly, the christian world doesn't have that bond that the muslim world does.

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by RochemBeck ] ++


Well, that is what some members are suggesting here.

No, they are not suggesting that, apparently this is how they believe. It is their religion. And by the way, I happened to notice something similar today at work and it made me wonder, it is now when Rami and Tahir made their points that I understood what happened there.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++


no it was rather to discredit what you had advanced. One is true to one's self if no matter where put their argument holds.

Erm, so by some logic here the World Cup should only be comprised of christians vs. muslims, hindus vs. buddhists, and atheists vs. agnostics...what a football tournament that would be.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

no man. andy honestly dont turn this into an argument against islam.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Zé Tahir ] ++
@Andy: you won't understand this b/c quite frankly, the christian world doesn't have that bond that the muslim world does.

That is debatable, and not a topic suited for this thread.

 

[Snoop]

++ [ originally posted by Zé Tahir ] ++


I feel sorry for Turkey and Bahrain. And yes it is because I have that religious connection with them, it's not rubbish at all. These borders don't/can't fence our spiritual bond.

Besides, we are taught that every muslim is brother/sister to each other, so this is something even deaper.

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altought it has nothing to do with this topic,In my religion it says we all of human beings are all brothers and sisters,and not just Christians only,I feel sorry that your religion teaches you seperation,and consider us strangers..[/offtopic]

 

[Rami]

++ [ originally posted by RochemBeck ] ++
So by some people's logic in this thread I should help support my Anglo-Saxon friends across the pond or Zee Germans just because I have heritage in both entities? Or should I help support Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Italy, and others just because they are predominately catholic nations? How does that make any sense at all Rami?

Comparing just doesn't cut it Andy.

1-I don't know how it is in christianity, but in Islam we see any Muslim as a brethrens. As I said in a previous post, why would an Indonesian Muslim, pray everyday for the people of Palastine or Iraq? Its that feeling of brethrenship we have.

2-Borders between Muslim nations are a 20th century thing it was not before, and I hope I see them removed before I die.

3-There are different historical backgrounds between the European nations and the Islamic nations....for example the English and the French fought so many wars all over the world. They have been two seperate entities for god knows how much....not the case with Muslim countries.

 

[Snoop]

++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++



you feel the connection strongly when you are a minority

Muslims are minority??