Rate our Mercato // Summer 2015 (4 Viewers)
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If Vidal wasnt sold I would give this 8.5 or 9 
maybe I overrate him, but thats true. Then it would mean we only lost a homesick Tevez while adding tons of offensive options to share the burden (Dybala, Mandzu, Cuadrado, Hernanes and Sandro) while keeping the best and most complete CM on the planet. I would waken up like happy baby sucking on his favourite tit.
maybe I overrate him, but thats true. Then it would mean we only lost a homesick Tevez while adding tons of offensive options to share the burden (Dybala, Mandzu, Cuadrado, Hernanes and Sandro) while keeping the best and most complete CM on the planet. I would waken up like happy baby sucking on his favourite tit.
Vidal sold - no proper replacement
Tevez sold - no proper replacement - Dybala is a nice prospect but he needs to rotate with someone great and enter the team slowly just as it was with DP at the time
Pirlo released - No longer important player - Padoin is I guess... Pirlo would have been useful in those 2 games... Marchisio is good but he is not Pirlo in terms of organizing the team and we also got no one to fill for Pirlo
AM - A great AM behind the strikers was all what this mercato about and.... We got the mighty Hernanes
Zaza - 18M for Zaza is 8M too much for a player with abilities such as his...
Up to now its a 1/10
Dybala is a good prospect you cant deny it
Rugani is a young good CB
Sandro will probably be the best LB in the next years...
Lemina seems like a good prospect
Khedira over his prime IMO but free isnt bad..
Cuadrado on a cheap loan - Cant really complain about it...
So I gave it a 4/10 as we did get some good prospects for the future but... Our present pretty suck... (lost 3 WC got no WC instead) also we didnt cover our lost players (their positions)
Our attacking flow last year Tevez Morata with Vidal supporting them
Our attacking flow this year Dybala Morata with Hernanes supporting them
I`ll leave it like this as its obvious which one is better...
Tevez sold - no proper replacement - Dybala is a nice prospect but he needs to rotate with someone great and enter the team slowly just as it was with DP at the time
Pirlo released - No longer important player - Padoin is I guess... Pirlo would have been useful in those 2 games... Marchisio is good but he is not Pirlo in terms of organizing the team and we also got no one to fill for Pirlo
AM - A great AM behind the strikers was all what this mercato about and.... We got the mighty Hernanes
Zaza - 18M for Zaza is 8M too much for a player with abilities such as his...
Up to now its a 1/10
Dybala is a good prospect you cant deny it
Rugani is a young good CB
Sandro will probably be the best LB in the next years...
Lemina seems like a good prospect
Khedira over his prime IMO but free isnt bad..
Cuadrado on a cheap loan - Cant really complain about it...
So I gave it a 4/10 as we did get some good prospects for the future but... Our present pretty suck... (lost 3 WC got no WC instead) also we didnt cover our lost players (their positions)
Our attacking flow last year Tevez Morata with Vidal supporting them
Our attacking flow this year Dybala Morata with Hernanes supporting them
I`ll leave it like this as its obvious which one is better...
I'm content with our mercato.
The main disappointment for me isn't even the lack of a top quality AM, it's all about Vidal. He wanted to leave so that's fine but it's hard to accept that the most we could get for a player of his stature was 37m and replacing him with Khedira and Lemina just isn't good enough. Admittedly I've never seen Lemina play so he could be a revelation but I'm probably the biggest Khedira hater on here. I was against signing him from the start, even when I thought Vidal was staying. I don't care that it was a free transfer, he's on more wages than an injury prone player who is passed his best (which I expect him to prove when he returns) deserves. Hopefully Asamoah has a big season at CM.
Dybala and Alex Sandro look like great signings. Paulo is probably the best we could've done in terms of a Tevez replacement and Sandro should be our starting LB for years to come. Mandzukic and Rugani are good signings. Definite upgrades from Llorente and Ogbonna (who we did brilliantly to get 11m for). Cuadrado on loan is a useful pickup, no complaints there. Can't complain about Neto on a free either.
Although I was hoping for someone like Isco, Oscar, Gotze or Draxler I'm not that bummed about Hernanes. He's a good player and although Vidal is a far superior player Hernanes should do a better job in the AM position. I can see him linking well with Pogba, Dybala and Morata.
I have no problem with the Coman deal. He really hasn't shown very much here and if he blows up 28m for a teenager is still good business.
Zaza is the biggest negative in terms of the players we brought in. I'm fine with him as a backup but we shouldn't have bothered with him if we were going to let Llorente go for free.
All in all it could've been better but it also could've been worse. As long as we stay away from 3-5-2 we should be fine. 7/10
The main disappointment for me isn't even the lack of a top quality AM, it's all about Vidal. He wanted to leave so that's fine but it's hard to accept that the most we could get for a player of his stature was 37m and replacing him with Khedira and Lemina just isn't good enough. Admittedly I've never seen Lemina play so he could be a revelation but I'm probably the biggest Khedira hater on here. I was against signing him from the start, even when I thought Vidal was staying. I don't care that it was a free transfer, he's on more wages than an injury prone player who is passed his best (which I expect him to prove when he returns) deserves. Hopefully Asamoah has a big season at CM.
Dybala and Alex Sandro look like great signings. Paulo is probably the best we could've done in terms of a Tevez replacement and Sandro should be our starting LB for years to come. Mandzukic and Rugani are good signings. Definite upgrades from Llorente and Ogbonna (who we did brilliantly to get 11m for). Cuadrado on loan is a useful pickup, no complaints there. Can't complain about Neto on a free either.
Although I was hoping for someone like Isco, Oscar, Gotze or Draxler I'm not that bummed about Hernanes. He's a good player and although Vidal is a far superior player Hernanes should do a better job in the AM position. I can see him linking well with Pogba, Dybala and Morata.
I have no problem with the Coman deal. He really hasn't shown very much here and if he blows up 28m for a teenager is still good business.
Zaza is the biggest negative in terms of the players we brought in. I'm fine with him as a backup but we shouldn't have bothered with him if we were going to let Llorente go for free.
All in all it could've been better but it also could've been worse. As long as we stay away from 3-5-2 we should be fine. 7/10
The 16 people who voted 7/10, GDS agrees with you
Inter should get a 9 as they really strengthened themselves
Milan should get 7.5 as they also invested well in their attack but it seems they fail to understand their mid and defence is their biggest problem
Lazio do not deserve the 5.5 I`ll give them a 6.5 as far as I remember they didnt sell their best players and also got Matri and you can say whatever you want about him but he knows how to position himself...
Fiorentina 6 - Fiorentina are the team who intrigues me the most as they seemed great this offseason despite losing their most influential player (Salah). Their mercato wasnt the best yet they still managed to look good.
Napoli - I`d give them 6.5 just because they got Allan
Palermo - They did their part got their yearly pay 40M (overall) for Dybala and now looking to do the same next year with Vazquez... so they do deserve the 7
All the rest who cares...
By the way delete all those signings and add Zlatan and Verratti and we would have looked quite similar to last year... would probably even cost less
Really didn't mind this mercato. Yes, a lot of big names left but it was bound to happen and we'll probably not have the best of seasons but we had four years of success and now its time for a transition.
Mandzukic, Dybala, Hernanes (I know I'll get heat for it, but I like him), Cuadrado, Khedira (when fit), Alex Sandro and Neto were all solid pick ups. Zaza is a question mark, much to prove and better show it when he gets the chance. Hopefully Rugani steps up to the plate too.
I give the mercato a 7.5/10...would have given it a 9 if we landed Draxler but considering the guys we lost and the players we picked up I think 7.5 is fair.
I still expect a good season even though we're down 6pts in the first two games (makes me cringe) but I expect us to get out of the groups in CL and definitely make a CL spot this season. I still think we can win the Scudetto but that depends on if this team can build the right chemistry and if Allegri can get his act together.
Mandzukic, Dybala, Hernanes (I know I'll get heat for it, but I like him), Cuadrado, Khedira (when fit), Alex Sandro and Neto were all solid pick ups. Zaza is a question mark, much to prove and better show it when he gets the chance. Hopefully Rugani steps up to the plate too.
I give the mercato a 7.5/10...would have given it a 9 if we landed Draxler but considering the guys we lost and the players we picked up I think 7.5 is fair.
I still expect a good season even though we're down 6pts in the first two games (makes me cringe) but I expect us to get out of the groups in CL and definitely make a CL spot this season. I still think we can win the Scudetto but that depends on if this team can build the right chemistry and if Allegri can get his act together.
Repost from Marotta thread
At first I was excited for this mercato, it was looking good... Dybala, Neto & Rugani in, Khedira to replace Pirlo and Mandzukic to replace Llorente. A great way to freshen up a very strong team. Then all hell breaks loose. First Tevez leaves, which obviously the management can't be blamed for but I still think it could have been handled better and not in such a limp wristed way. Why not offer him more money and extend contract for 1 year, or even just more money for one season? And then the stroke of genius selling Vidal for 37m. I can't say enough bad things about this. Beppe himself even said that Vidal would have been happy to stay, but no he fucking sells the BEST B2B MIDFIELDER IN THE WORLD for 37 fucking million in this day and age. Ok so Vidal really wants to leave? Well fuck him then, have a bidding war if he doesn't want to respect us, we have no obligation to grant him his wish; we are not a charity. So we sell him for a paltry fee and have no one to replace him with, dragging the mercato on to the last day with barely an adequate replacement for 3 of our most important players. We gave Llorente away for free, he clearly is still a good player but we just palmed him off for fucking free. 'We saved 20m in wages'... too bad we bought fucking Zaza for 18m. Why the hell sign that turd over Berardi? Coman is really not a great deal either looking at it now. Initially I was for the move considering it was looking likely that Draxler would come, but we could really use Coman now and if he turns out to be a great player, 28m is really not much at all. Cuadrado strikes me as a desperate panic move more than anything else, I don't think he'll end up being used as a starter. Sandro is a good signing, a bit overpriced but I won't fault Beppe for that, it was Porto after all. Nice to see us finally signing a proper LB/LWB. Lemina seems to be ok, but Hernanes is just
The good:
Dybala
Sandro
Ogbonna
Rugani
The ????:
Cuadrado
Khedira
The average:
Mandzukic
Neto
Coman
Lemina
The bad:
Tevez
Hernanes
The what the fuck were you thinking Beppe:
Vidal
Llorente
Zaza
So what has really happened to the team over the mercato? What was the best midfield in the world has pretty much been dismantled and turned into a big question mark. We have Marchisio, and who knows how Pogba will perform now without Vidal and/or Pirlo alongside him. Despite how much I rate him, being realistic Asamoah hasn't played CM for over 3 years and is coming back from a huge injury and Khedira so far could be injured half the time or more. We've lost what was our key player in Tevez and replaced him with a 21 year old talent who has pretty much been left to carry all attacking duties on his shoulders. He may turn out to be great in the future, but if management is expecting any results this season they've gone the wrong way about it. Look at our forward line, we have Dybala and three players that play the same position. Can someone please explain the point of having Morata, Mandzukic AND Zaza. That shit just doesn't make sense. So what has improved? The backline. Rugani seems to be a big talent and Sandro is the LB that we always needed. Getting rid of Ogbonna and a nice fee to go along with it is great. However, the team has just changed so much... the whole identity of the team is changed. Now that's not always a bad thing, but when you don't bring in even one experienced creative attacker/playmaker to carry the burden of what was there before (Vidal, Pirlo & Tevez), you're basically shooting yourself in the foot. Tevez and Vidal are both incredible players, and it can be said that they both do the work of 2 players each. To make up for that, you must sign a top top player i.e. the likes of Aguero (not realistic) or improve across the pitch. We haven't done either of those things. The best is Dybala who while talented, currently doesn't even make up for one of them and Sandro is a good player but not a world beater. Additionally, despite spending over €110m, we have failed to get the one player that the coach has asked for. That is nothing but pure failure, incompetency if you will.
Overall I give this mercato a 3/10.
At first I was excited for this mercato, it was looking good... Dybala, Neto & Rugani in, Khedira to replace Pirlo and Mandzukic to replace Llorente. A great way to freshen up a very strong team. Then all hell breaks loose. First Tevez leaves, which obviously the management can't be blamed for but I still think it could have been handled better and not in such a limp wristed way. Why not offer him more money and extend contract for 1 year, or even just more money for one season? And then the stroke of genius selling Vidal for 37m. I can't say enough bad things about this. Beppe himself even said that Vidal would have been happy to stay, but no he fucking sells the BEST B2B MIDFIELDER IN THE WORLD for 37 fucking million in this day and age. Ok so Vidal really wants to leave? Well fuck him then, have a bidding war if he doesn't want to respect us, we have no obligation to grant him his wish; we are not a charity. So we sell him for a paltry fee and have no one to replace him with, dragging the mercato on to the last day with barely an adequate replacement for 3 of our most important players. We gave Llorente away for free, he clearly is still a good player but we just palmed him off for fucking free. 'We saved 20m in wages'... too bad we bought fucking Zaza for 18m. Why the hell sign that turd over Berardi? Coman is really not a great deal either looking at it now. Initially I was for the move considering it was looking likely that Draxler would come, but we could really use Coman now and if he turns out to be a great player, 28m is really not much at all. Cuadrado strikes me as a desperate panic move more than anything else, I don't think he'll end up being used as a starter. Sandro is a good signing, a bit overpriced but I won't fault Beppe for that, it was Porto after all. Nice to see us finally signing a proper LB/LWB. Lemina seems to be ok, but Hernanes is just
The good:
Dybala
Sandro
Ogbonna
Rugani
The ????:
Cuadrado
Khedira
The average:
Mandzukic
Neto
Coman
Lemina
The bad:
Tevez
Hernanes
The what the fuck were you thinking Beppe:
Vidal
Llorente
Zaza
So what has really happened to the team over the mercato? What was the best midfield in the world has pretty much been dismantled and turned into a big question mark. We have Marchisio, and who knows how Pogba will perform now without Vidal and/or Pirlo alongside him. Despite how much I rate him, being realistic Asamoah hasn't played CM for over 3 years and is coming back from a huge injury and Khedira so far could be injured half the time or more. We've lost what was our key player in Tevez and replaced him with a 21 year old talent who has pretty much been left to carry all attacking duties on his shoulders. He may turn out to be great in the future, but if management is expecting any results this season they've gone the wrong way about it. Look at our forward line, we have Dybala and three players that play the same position. Can someone please explain the point of having Morata, Mandzukic AND Zaza. That shit just doesn't make sense. So what has improved? The backline. Rugani seems to be a big talent and Sandro is the LB that we always needed. Getting rid of Ogbonna and a nice fee to go along with it is great. However, the team has just changed so much... the whole identity of the team is changed. Now that's not always a bad thing, but when you don't bring in even one experienced creative attacker/playmaker to carry the burden of what was there before (Vidal, Pirlo & Tevez), you're basically shooting yourself in the foot. Tevez and Vidal are both incredible players, and it can be said that they both do the work of 2 players each. To make up for that, you must sign a top top player i.e. the likes of Aguero (not realistic) or improve across the pitch. We haven't done either of those things. The best is Dybala who while talented, currently doesn't even make up for one of them and Sandro is a good player but not a world beater. Additionally, despite spending over €110m, we have failed to get the one player that the coach has asked for. That is nothing but pure failure, incompetency if you will.
Overall I give this mercato a 3/10.
I invited anyone to see Marotta statements this summer in chronological order. Its amusing. Market is almost close, sold vidal, there's plenty time, just numerical players, juventus material, money isn't a issue... ah, if you can match with allegri statements you would see how "similar" they are
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Strategic
incoming transfers: 7/10 (A better AM and a pay less for Dybala (25-30) and Zaza (10-12) would have made it perfect)
outgoing transfers: 5/10 (especially the Tevez/Llorente for free deals were ridiculous.)
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For 11M, I would have gone for Praet, for that money, he would have been available.
outgoing transfers: 5/10 (especially the Tevez/Llorente for free deals were ridiculous.)
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For 11M, I would have gone for Praet, for that money, he would have been available.
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I invited anyone to see Marotta statements this summer in chronological order. Its amusing. Market is almost close, sold vidal, there's plenty time, just numerical players, juventus material, money isn't a issue... ah, if you can match with allegri statements you would see how "similar" they are
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40mil broken the bank
kill urselfYea pastore did not move, extended his contract after a very critical year. Was available for 15-20mil in ~May
Gaitan did not move...it's fucking Benfica okay?
Felipe Anderson did not move.... because Bayern turned away from him
Went with a 5.
Departures:
Manly the loss of Vidal and Tevez will haunt us. I'm convinced the club didn't do enough to keep them. Llorente for free also sends the wrong message. Sometimes Marotta allows to get bullied not only by players but by other clubs. That is still his biggest flaw. He still needs to toughen up and be more like Moggi in that sense.
Arrivals:
We brought in some really good players. But in the end it all comes down to one thing: We didn't get the most important player coach asked for a year ago, the one who would pull the strings out there.
Always liked Marotta and his work, but this was a huge, one year long fail.
Departures:
Manly the loss of Vidal and Tevez will haunt us. I'm convinced the club didn't do enough to keep them. Llorente for free also sends the wrong message. Sometimes Marotta allows to get bullied not only by players but by other clubs. That is still his biggest flaw. He still needs to toughen up and be more like Moggi in that sense.
Arrivals:
We brought in some really good players. But in the end it all comes down to one thing: We didn't get the most important player coach asked for a year ago, the one who would pull the strings out there.
Always liked Marotta and his work, but this was a huge, one year long fail.