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Modric wasn't great in the knockouts, maybe one game. De Bruyne was better and Coutinho flashed a few times and that's it. Pogba was the most consistent of them, and none of them were even close defensively to Labile.
So now you count how many goals/assists he had against who? That's just ridiculous bro, I know you hate him but calma a bit. If any of our mids scored 16 goals in any way, and had 11 assists, he'd be wanked to heaven. Heck you wank our CF for those kind of numbers. So no matter how you put it, that was a impressive campaign statistically. Don't know about actual impact on the pitch since I didn't watch, but I doubt you have either.
You're kinda contradicting, he had 1 tackle a game but then you say he was the AM? So what is he supposed to do, the job of a AM and DM simultaneously? He had 11 assists, without taking set pieces, I think his job was well done based on that. And fuck united fans, just so btw, like anyone cares what they think.
Against PSG, they literally changed half the team after the 1st leg loss. And mediocre barcelona? What would you call that United if barcelona is mediocre? Pls. And since when is AM his preferable position, when he played his best football here as a left sided mezzala?
It was a bad season for ManU, but the following season with Pogba missing many games they didn't improve at all. 18/19 they won 66 points in a much stronger EPL, with 5 teams reaching 70+pts. The following year they again won 66 points, but only City and Pool were above that mark. And that year Pogba was out a lot, guess what, they won more points per game with him playing than without him.
So all your opinion on Pogba is on what you read from ManU fans, stats and what else? I don't think you watched them regularly, I haven't either but here is the thing, from what I gather. There he played either as a DM in a double pivot behind Bruno, or as a AM behind a striker. Where is the season he played as a left mezzala majority of the time? Or even right mezzala? You can't judge him on Juve Pogba standards because he's not Juve Pogba there. Pjanic scores like 12 goals for Roma as a mezzala, but here Max used him infront of defense. Casuals from outside might think he declined but we who saw him know it's not the case.
Has he struggled in his United tenure, yes. Why or how it's pointless to get over it again and again, but the guy would be a huge improvement over what we have. Like replacing Berna with Chiesa, that level of improvement. Anyone denying that is lying to himself
So now you count how many goals/assists he had against who? That's just ridiculous bro, I know you hate him but calma a bit. If any of our mids scored 16 goals in any way, and had 11 assists, he'd be wanked to heaven. Heck you wank our CF for those kind of numbers. So no matter how you put it, that was a impressive campaign statistically. Don't know about actual impact on the pitch since I didn't watch, but I doubt you have either.
You're kinda contradicting, he had 1 tackle a game but then you say he was the AM? So what is he supposed to do, the job of a AM and DM simultaneously? He had 11 assists, without taking set pieces, I think his job was well done based on that. And fuck united fans, just so btw, like anyone cares what they think.
Against PSG, they literally changed half the team after the 1st leg loss. And mediocre barcelona? What would you call that United if barcelona is mediocre? Pls. And since when is AM his preferable position, when he played his best football here as a left sided mezzala?
It was a bad season for ManU, but the following season with Pogba missing many games they didn't improve at all. 18/19 they won 66 points in a much stronger EPL, with 5 teams reaching 70+pts. The following year they again won 66 points, but only City and Pool were above that mark. And that year Pogba was out a lot, guess what, they won more points per game with him playing than without him.
So all your opinion on Pogba is on what you read from ManU fans, stats and what else? I don't think you watched them regularly, I haven't either but here is the thing, from what I gather. There he played either as a DM in a double pivot behind Bruno, or as a AM behind a striker. Where is the season he played as a left mezzala majority of the time? Or even right mezzala? You can't judge him on Juve Pogba standards because he's not Juve Pogba there. Pjanic scores like 12 goals for Roma as a mezzala, but here Max used him infront of defense. Casuals from outside might think he declined but we who saw him know it's not the case.
Has he struggled in his United tenure, yes. Why or how it's pointless to get over it again and again, but the guy would be a huge improvement over what we have. Like replacing Berna with Chiesa, that level of improvement. Anyone denying that is lying to himself
Oh please. Everyone recognizes he’s been atrocious there but his fanbois. Pointless arguing anymore. Juve Pogba hasn’t existed for 5 years. This year, they’re undefeated in matches played without Pogba. He’s an overrated, overpaid flop, with one of the shittiest attitudes and laziest work ethics in football. Every time I watch them, he strolls around the pitch like a lethargic asshole, doing zilch. Pogba sucks now. I know you worship him, but that doesn’t change the fact he’s been dreadful for years.
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And lol at giving him a pass for giving any contribution defensively. You say he’s playing as a DM and he’s still averaging ~1 tackle/game the last two years and ~0.5 interceptions/game. His shit effort when United is without the ball hardly is limited to when he’s positioned further up the pitch. He’s a joke.
Vidal playing as our AM in our midfield diamond in 2014-15, averaged 3.5 tackles/game and 1.5 interceptions. Because ya know, he wasn’t a lazy turd.
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And lol at giving him a pass for giving any contribution defensively. You say he’s playing as a DM and he’s still averaging ~1 tackle/game the last two years and ~0.5 interceptions/game. His shit effort when United is without the ball hardly is limited to when he’s positioned further up the pitch. He’s a joke.
Vidal playing as our AM in our midfield diamond in 2014-15, averaged 3.5 tackles/game and 1.5 interceptions. Because ya know, he wasn’t a lazy turd.
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Theyre not undefeated without Pogba, youre gonna credit the guy for losing in games he went in for 15-20 minutes and they were losing already? They had a terrible CL with him barely playing. They beat PSG away after he entered, they were losing to RB 2-0 with him on the bench, when he entered last half an hour it ended 3-2. They were losing 2-0 against Istanbul with him on the bench. After he entered only they managed to score. Istanbul! Edin fuckin Visca is their best player! In he EPL they are about 2ppg with or without him, despite as you say them being undefeated with him out. And the sample size of him not playing being much smaller than him playing. Every time you watch them - which probably happens very very rarely, lets be honest. I dont worship no fuckin football player lol, i just dont need someone to convince me hes no good when i myself have eyes
You realize he plays like 70 minutes a game in the EPL, 50 in the EL and 35 in the CL this season, so his per game stats would be lower than normal? And you bring up Vidal, a great tackler, who also played a different role even as a AM. He was defending as a DM next to Pirlo, wih Marchisio and Pogba being wide, so we kept the 442 shape that year. A role suitable for a workhorse like Vidal, which Max correctly figured out. And yes, having many tackles means youre not a lazy turd, having few means you are. I guess we shouldnt sign Aouar or Sergej either, lazy bums never even tackle eh? Just stop with this nonsense ageda already
You realize he plays like 70 minutes a game in the EPL, 50 in the EL and 35 in the CL this season, so his per game stats would be lower than normal? And you bring up Vidal, a great tackler, who also played a different role even as a AM. He was defending as a DM next to Pirlo, wih Marchisio and Pogba being wide, so we kept the 442 shape that year. A role suitable for a workhorse like Vidal, which Max correctly figured out. And yes, having many tackles means youre not a lazy turd, having few means you are. I guess we shouldnt sign Aouar or Sergej either, lazy bums never even tackle eh? Just stop with this nonsense ageda already
In world cup 2018, the three best mids were Modric, Kante and Pogba. Credit where it's due. You don't need to look at stats, he was one of the more influential players for France despite my general disdain for him at the time.
But what is also true that he has been injury prone lately and has seldom produced his 'top form' over the past few years. Pretty much like our Dybala for which he's being slated by Juventus fans currently.
Given his age, wages and the additional baggage he comes with, it's without a doubt a pass for me. We need more of Chiesa's and less of these 'mercurial' talents.
But what is also true that he has been injury prone lately and has seldom produced his 'top form' over the past few years. Pretty much like our Dybala for which he's being slated by Juventus fans currently.
Given his age, wages and the additional baggage he comes with, it's without a doubt a pass for me. We need more of Chiesa's and less of these 'mercurial' talents.
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Pogba to Cavani, @IlCapitano s wet dream
Pogba to Cavani, @IlCapitano s wet dream
It must be like the third time I posted this photo here. I was so happy that I almost cried when I saw them and in my naive mind was thinking: OMG what a team we have for the future... just built around those guys
Our management made some really bad decisions but the transfer Paul-Pipa was the beginning of this nightmare, it was a clear red flag that brought us to our 2nd tier Europe current level.
Coming back to the present. For me, he can do his pogmentary for years to come in Europa League with his current club
It must be like the third time I posted this photo here. I was so happy that I almost cried when I saw them and in my naive mind was thinking: OMG what a team we have for the future... just built around those guys
Our management made some really bad decisions but the transfer Paul-Pipa was the beginning of this nightmare, it was a clear red flag that brought us to our 2nd tier Europe current level.
Coming back to the present. For me, he can do his pogmentary for years to come in Europa League with his current club
It must be like the third time I posted this photo here. I was so happy that I almost cried when I saw them and in my naive mind was thinking: OMG what a team we have for the future... just built around those guys
Our management made some really bad decisions but the transfer Paul-Pipa was the beginning of this nightmare, it was a clear red flag that brought us to our 2nd tier Europe current level.
Coming back to the present. For me, he can do his pogmentary for years to come in Europa League with his current club
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Dani Alves Bonucci Chiellini Alex Sandro
Cuadrado Khedira Pjanic Pogba
Dybala Morata/Mandzu
This, not alot of people even think about it..Vidal covered pogbas position hiccups AND went forward and contributed. If we had THAT vidal now we would top the table. Damn what a beast he was and not only because of so called stats..
To think aouar 40M+ loca 40M + 20M cash = Pogba..just proves there's a sucker born every minute.
Vidal >>Pogba, always and forever.
To think aouar 40M+ loca 40M + 20M cash = Pogba..just proves there's a sucker born every minute.
Vidal >>Pogba, always and forever.
Yep, it was so clear for a lot of us, I don't know how they missed it.. add just one good reinforcement per season, we would still be top 5 team in europe and with some nice assets players in our squad
Now we need to cook our books for a while and see how it goes
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Worst squad, worst manager, worst management, worst coach... are we at least better looking now @Lion ?
Now we need to cook our books for a while and see how it goes
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Worst squad, worst manager, worst management, worst coach... are we at least better looking now @Lion ?
It must be like the third time I posted this photo here. I was so happy that I almost cried when I saw them and in my naive mind was thinking: OMG what a team we have for the future... just built around those guys
Our management made some really bad decisions but the transfer Paul-Pipa was the beginning of this nightmare, it was a clear red flag that brought us to our 2nd tier Europe current level.
Coming back to the present. For me, he can do his pogmentary for years to come in Europa League with his current club
He wasn’t even really in decline. He had at least 2-3 more top level seasons. We made the wrong bet. Club probably thought they could get Pogba to want to stay by giving him the #10 and promising to make him the face of the club. So we let Vidal go for peanuts to a club of his choosing. And Pogba used 2015-16 as a yearlong advertising campaign to go to ManU.
We should have given Vidal a 3 year extension instead, and he may have been what put us over the top in CL one of our close years.