Oh Sh*t, Here We Go (10 Viewers)

[ALC]

Do you guys want me to put the off topic posts from the election thread or the ethics thread?

You pick, sweetheart.

 

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[Nzoric]

And that NATO example you posted was great. It's not like what they did was necessary or anything.

What was necessary? The legitimacy of Kosovo as being independent is a complex issue and one where arguments from both sides can be valid. Tell me, if the NATO bombing of civilian targets in Serbia was legitimate, why aren't they bombing the administration in Pristina right now? As far I know from family members who live there and friends, several are getting killed, medicine supplies are low, regular beatings and attacks by what is now the majority. That is to exclude the Serbian media because they probably are biased, so I won't even begin to dig down into their reports. The Albanians in Kosovo have assumed the shape of the wolf that the Serbs had prior to that. Why didn't the KFOR soldiers shoot back in 2004 and the ethnic atrocities being committed? If you have standards they should be applied universally.

 

[ALC]

When the whole world decides that drastic a measure needs to be taken, there's gotta be some truth to it. Kosovars were getting their houses burned down, were being killed, and thrown out of their own place. It had to be stopped.

How does Prishtina figure into this? I don't see anything nearly as bad happening there.

 

[Nzoric]

Anyways, I rather wouldn't have this discussion with you. I really like you and think you're a cool dude, discussing this won't further our friendship in any way. What I tried to say with the post above is that the key to solving the Balkan problems is accepting that no one is purely innocent and no one is purely wrong, in any scenario. If we could all accept that none of us have a perfect history, we could actually work towards making the place better, but no. Serbs remember what happened in WW1, the albanians remember what happened after WW1, the serbs remember what happened in 1941, the albanians remember what happened in the late 40's early 50's . A never ending cycle of retaliation, and it's just idiotic.

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When the whole world decides that drastic a measure needs to be taken, there's gotta be some truth to it. Kosovars were getting their houses burned down, were being killed, and thrown out of their own place. It had to be stopped.

How does Prishtina figure into this? I don't see anything nearly as bad happening there.

The whole world? The NATO bombing did not have UN sanction, so that argument can be excluded. And again, instead of discussing specifics (we can all call upon atrocities committed by the other side) I'd like to repeat my point that no one is innocent. Serb houses, too were being burned. Children killed and women raped. And what good did it do anyone? Oh and how Pristina figures into it can be exemplified by 2004 and the events there. Furthermore the oppression in the mid-late 80's that led to OVK rebellion looks a whole lot like the albanian oppression of Serbs today.

We Balkans sure do love our oppressing.

 

[Martin]

I just don't get it. Being a soldier if anything is a pretty noble occupation. You're serving your country, sometimes by putting your own life at risk. What the country decides to do isn't really something they have a choice over.

And that NATO example you posted was great. It's not like what they did was necessary or anything.

The Iraq was is a little different. There was no initial need to go there, I can't disagree with that. But hey, the soldiers have about as much choice about ending up there as the Iraqis do. And before you guys get started on that "America sucks" speech, every middle eastern/arab I've met here loves America. No $#@!. Never had anything bad to say.

No, you're serving the government of your country as a trained killer, whatever it is they currently plan to use you for. See, politicians do not go and kill people, they need soldiers to do that for them. So being a soldier is, quite far from being noble, being a hit man.

 

[Enron]

No, you're serving the government of your country as a trained killer, whatever it is they currently plan to use you for. See, politicians do not go and kill people, they need soldiers to do that for them. So being a soldier is, quite far from being noble, being a hit man.

So what?

 

[ALC]

Anyways, I rather wouldn't have this discussion with you. I really like you and think you're a cool dude, discussing this won't further our friendship in any way. What I tried to say with the post above is that the key to solving the Balkan problems is accepting that no one is purely innocent and no one is purely wrong, in any scenario. If we could all accept that none of us have a perfect history, we could actually work towards making the place better, but no. Serbs remember what happened in WW1, the albanians remember what happened after WW1, the serbs remember what happened in 1941, the albanians remember what happened in the late 40's early 50's . A never ending cycle of retaliation, and it's just idiotic.

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The whole world? The NATO bombing did not have UN sanction, so that argument can be excluded. And again, instead of discussing specifics (we can all call upon atrocities committed by the other side) I'd like to repeat my point that no one is innocent. Serb houses, too were being burned. Children killed and women raped. And what good did it do anyone?

I agree, no point in dwelling on the past.

No, you're serving the government of your country as a trained killer, whatever it is they currently plan to use you for. See, politicians do not go and kill people, they need soldiers to do that for them. So being a soldier is, quite far from being noble, being a hit man.

Someone has to serve and protect. What do you suggest, no armies? We don't live in a utopia.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

When the whole world decides that drastic a measure needs to be taken, there's gotta be some truth to it. Kosovars were getting their houses burned down, were being killed, and thrown out of their own place. It had to be stopped.

How does Prishtina figure into this? I don't see anything nearly as bad happening there.

So here's a question everyone rags the iraq war but not only did the UN sign a resolution for it but congress gave bush authority to go to Iraq for the WMD. So the whole world basically said they had WMD and it needed to be done but yet bush gets the shaft for it and everyone else has no blame how's that?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

No, you're serving the government of your country as a trained killer, whatever it is they currently plan to use you for. See, politicians do not go and kill people, they need soldiers to do that for them. So being a soldier is, quite far from being noble, being a hit man.

So being a soldier isn't noble but strapping a bomb to ones self and killing innocents in a mosque is?

 

[Martin]

So what?

So what's noble about that?

 

[ALC]

So here's a question everyone rags the iraq war but not only did the UN sign a resolution for it but congress gave bush authority to go to Iraq for the WMD. So the whole world basically said they had WMD and it needed to be done but yet bush gets the shaft for it and everyone else has no blame how's that?

Everyone has WMDs. Bush only went to Iraq for bullshit reasons. Should've invaded Iran if anything.

 

[Nzoric]

So being a soldier isn't noble but strapping a bomb to ones self and killing innocents in a mosque is?

No one said that was noble, if you cared to read my posts I compared them as being equally despicable.

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Everyone has WMDs. Bush only went to Iraq for bullshit reasons. Should've invaded Iran if anything.

It's like you're talking about a game of Risk

 

[icemaη]

So being a soldier isn't noble but strapping a bomb to ones self and killing innocents in a mosque is?

*You are either with us, or against us*

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Everyone has WMDs. Bush only went to Iraq for bull$#@! reasons. Should've invaded Iran if anything.

Not the point. My point was the UN passed a resolution for action first them congress gave bush the authority then he went ago everyone seemed to want the same thing yet only bush gets shit about the war

 

[AndreaCristiano]

No one said that was noble, if you cared to read my posts I compared them as being equally despicable.

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It's like you're talking about a game of Risk

I think a soldier serving his country to protect and keep his/ her country safe is nowhere near the same thing as a bomber killing innocents or driving a passenger plane into the twin towers.

 

[Nzoric]

*You are either with us, or against us*

Oh snap . Post of the discussion.

 

[Cheesio]

So here's a question everyone rags the iraq war but not only did the UN sign a resolution for it but congress gave bush authority to go to Iraq for the WMD. So the whole world basically said they had WMD and it needed to be done but yet bush gets the shaft for it and everyone else has no blame how's that?

Congressman are the guardians of the word ?? UN voted to invade Iraq in the light of proofs presentend by the US and the GB that they massive destruction arms , wich was only a lie to ruin a whole country because the only massive destruction arms that were found was used by US military on civilians.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

*You are either with us, or against us*

What's your point? That suicide bomber doesn't care who's with or against him. Look at the one in Syria that just happened all those innocent people died going to prayer! Do you think he cared

 

[Nzoric]

I think a soldier serving his country to protect and keep his/ her country safe is nowhere near the same thing as a bomber killing innocents or driving a passenger plane into the twin towers.

What is the difference? The suicide bomber taking out a hotel with american soldiers on leave or the F16 fighter shelling a building complex because of insurgents hiding inside it? You don't think that the suicide bomber intends to make his country a better place by doing so? It takes a whole lot of conviction to blow yourself up.

 

[ALC]

It's like you're talking about a game of Risk

Greece too. That's a very good location. You can connect directly with three continents and you have water for your navy. Should've invaded them. I wouldn't mind Romney getting elected if he invades Greece.