Oh Sh*t, Here We Go (7 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

If they find out they're going to Iraq they can quit the military, can't they? Isn't that better than killing people when that's against your principles?

No they can't quit the military! And I'm the one who doesn't know what's going on! There is a contract you sign for length of service. You leave or try to you get court Marshalled. Jail time etc

 

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[Nzoric]

No they can't quit the military! And I'm the one who doesn't know what's going on! There is a contract you sign for length of service. You leave or try to you get court Marshalled. Jail time etc

So what? If you were offered the choices:

1) Go kill innocent civilians
2) Go to jail

You would pick the 1st? That's what I'm getting from your post. That's nice of you, very Christian.

 

[Martin]

No they can't quit the military! And I'm the one who doesn't know what's going on! There is a contract you sign for length of service. You leave or try to you get court Marshalled. Jail time etc

Yes, exactly. So isn't it better to get court marshalled than to go kill people?

 

[Nzoric]

Martin knows whats up.

 

[Kate]

What about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's who have died ever since the imperialist invasion in 2003? What do you feel about them? What do you feel about the poor soldiers who participated in indiscriminately shelling complete cities like Falluja and others?

Oh poor them really, because of ignorance and financial reasons they were forced to bomb cities and kill innocent people. We should all get together and cry for them.

That is evil as well, I never said it was okay for them to die and Americans to live. All of this death is wrong. But killing more people is not the answer to the problem. Sorry that I'm a ridiculous liberal.

I'm relieved that you actually used the word "bad" to describe them. Even though, i do not for a second think it is enough. But step in the right direction.

That is hateful.

 

[Enron]

No they can't quit the military! And I'm the one who doesn't know what's going on! There is a contract you sign for length of service. You leave or try to you get court Marshalled. Jail time etc

You can apply for a discharge. But at the same time, simply being in the military doesn't mean you kill innocent people. Sometimes you can spend a career and not kill anyone.

 

[Nzoric]

That is evil as well, I never said it was okay for them to die and Americans to live. All of this death is wrong. But killing more people is not the answer to the problem. Sorry that I'm a ridiculous liberal.

Should they just say "in order to spare further human sacrifice, I'll just roll over and let my country be invaded" ?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So what? If you were offered the choices:

1) Go kill innocent civilians
2) Go to jail

You would pick the 1st? That's what I'm getting from your post. That's nice of you, very Christian.

I wouldn't sign up hence why I didn't. It's not an offer they freely go and sign up. You talk of tolerance you know not what is going on in their lives yet you judge.

 

[Kate]

Should they just say "in order to spare further human sacrifice, I'll just roll over and let my country be invaded" ?

What I am angry about is his celebrating death. I am angry about war as well, but I agree that defending yourself is necessary.

 

[Nzoric]

You can apply for a discharge. But at the same time, simply being in the military doesn't mean you kill innocent people. Sometimes you can spend a career and not kill anyone.

You're still a part of an organization which deals primarily with death. You might be doing finances, but the bills are for Tomahawks.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You can apply for a discharge. But at the same time, simply being in the military doesn't mean you kill innocent people. Sometimes you can spend a career and not kill anyone.

Discharge needs serious reasons to be allowed. Conscientious discharge no longer works.

 

[Nzoric]

I wouldn't sign up hence why I didn't. It's not an offer they freely go and sign up. You talk of tolerance you know not what is going on in their lives yet you judge.

What? I said, if you were offered the choices. A hypothetical scenario, what would you do? You have a nasty tendency of avoiding questions that do not stroke you the right way.

 

[Martin]

You talk of tolerance you know not what is going on in their lives yet you judge.

Yet another good point.

 

[Nzoric]

So we were coming from some fundamental flaws in AC's usually dodgy line of reasoning..

 

[ALC]

Nzoric and Fred talking shit about soldiers

That's gold. Just gold.

 

[Nzoric]

Nzoric and Fred talking shit about soldiers

That's gold. Just gold.

Care to elaborate?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Just wanna comment in the impending Iran scenario we had a chance to stand behind the Iranians when the protests where starting from the citizenry and we didn't. At this point I would step back and not move towards anything

 

[ALC]

I just don't get it. Being a soldier if anything is a pretty noble occupation. You're serving your country, sometimes by putting your own life at risk. What the country decides to do isn't really something they have a choice over.

And that NATO example you posted was great. It's not like what they did was necessary or anything.

The Iraq was is a little different. There was no initial need to go there, I can't disagree with that. But hey, the soldiers have about as much choice about ending up there as the Iraqis do. And before you guys get started on that "America sucks" speech, every middle eastern/arab I've met here loves America. No shit. Never had anything bad to say.

 

[Enron]

Do you guys want me to put the off topic posts from the election thread or the ethics thread?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I just don't get it. Being a soldier if anything is a pretty noble occupation. You're serving your country, sometimes by putting your own life at risk. What the country decides to do isn't really something they have a choice over.

And that NATO example you posted was great. It's not like what they did was necessary or anything.

The Iraq was is a little different. There was no initial need to go there, I can't disagree with that. But hey, the soldiers have about as much choice about ending up there as the Iraqis do. And before you guys get started on that "America sucks" speech, every middle eastern/arab I've met here loves America. No $#@!. Never had anything bad to say.

Well said brother they might call you an occupier sympathizer now