Nicolò Fagioli (38 Viewers)
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Comparing the two cases of Pogba and Fagioli, I'd still keep Fagioli around for two main reasons. (1) Pogba may not have done it purposefully but it was not the first time he erred and will not be the last. In his case, it's about cheating. Fagioli did not cheat but seem to be part of a collective and stupid game. He should have known better, he is not a kid. But he is not cheating. If he is an addict or not is impossible for me to judge. If the debts are true, it's obviously an addiction. If they are not true, he could be as much of a gambler as many others. If he is an addict, he should be able to overcome it.
(2) Following the last position I took, sporting-wise Pogba is done. He had one cameo since he came where he did look decent but on most occasions he looked more like a grandpa out there. Pogba is not getting any younger and his broken body will only worsen. Fagioli is no kid but has a lot of years ahead of him. He may never become a star player but I still have my hopes he can become a rotational regista.
(3) Yeah, building on that I add the third one, which relates to him being a rotational option. Pogba's wage is a joke. Fagioli is really cheap and given the circumstances, if he turns out decent after all of this, then I expect he will accept a reduced salary.
I have a blind eye for this dude so my bias is very evident. I hope he can recover mentally and, in a year, physically.
(2) Following the last position I took, sporting-wise Pogba is done. He had one cameo since he came where he did look decent but on most occasions he looked more like a grandpa out there. Pogba is not getting any younger and his broken body will only worsen. Fagioli is no kid but has a lot of years ahead of him. He may never become a star player but I still have my hopes he can become a rotational regista.
(3) Yeah, building on that I add the third one, which relates to him being a rotational option. Pogba's wage is a joke. Fagioli is really cheap and given the circumstances, if he turns out decent after all of this, then I expect he will accept a reduced salary.
I have a blind eye for this dude so my bias is very evident. I hope he can recover mentally and, in a year, physically.
they didn't necessarily know why fagioli needed the money. even 2 decades ago when there was no online gambling (at least not in its current widespread form) people could hide their addiction. unfortunately i watched a few lives getting ruined through gambling. gamblers always lie, always are ashamed of their addiction, and are pretty hard to make working on their addiction.
btw the popular tuz sentiment on addictions couldn't be more shortsighted. these are sick people that certainly need a slap or two, but also need help. if they make their way out of the addiction then they can easily get back to their best selves. and of course what about second chances, like tuzzers never fucked up anything in their lives. let's not be like those sjw's. i have a feeling that tuz would massacre paolo rossi when he already had 3 knee surgeries and a ban for match fixing when he was 24. tuz pls
btw the popular tuz sentiment on addictions couldn't be more shortsighted. these are sick people that certainly need a slap or two, but also need help. if they make their way out of the addiction then they can easily get back to their best selves. and of course what about second chances, like tuzzers never fucked up anything in their lives. let's not be like those sjw's. i have a feeling that tuz would massacre paolo rossi when he already had 3 knee surgeries and a ban for match fixing when he was 24. tuz pls
I mean betting once in a while on different sports or leagues whether it’s just for fun or for the thrill is one thing and can be somewhat easy to understand even in a pro footballer’s case(especially with all the betting and casino ad campaigns flooding the market) but then losing control and getting into deep debts because of it that’s just completely crazy to read about, even more so when you are already being paid well enough for playing football and career is on the up, also apparently neither part of any mafia betting ring that could have maybe blackmailed or pressured him into acquiring those debts which ironically makes it even the more baffling.
but for me its superstition on then again footballers are superstitious
None of this is relevant.
We all make mistakes. Especially when we are young. I don't hate Fagioli.
Fagioli's mistakes were not minor however. He racked up three million in debt. He apparently owes that debt to criminals. This is not a simple mistake. And even if he was sick, that doesn't mean he's not responsible. He could have looked for help at any point in time, but he didn't.
Juventus pay Fagioli 1M a year to play football. That doesn't even mean he has to be available the entire year. If he is injured, they stand by him. It does mean he should follow some very basic rules. One of those rules is: don't get banned doing illegal shit. He did not live up to his part of the deal, that much is certain.
Would I advise Juventus to let him go? Yes. Does that mean I wish him ill? No, I hope he gets his shit together and builds a great career.
“The worst moment was between April and March 2023, when I was so scared that I made a mistake during Sassuolo-Juventus and I was subbed off. I started crying when I sat on the bench, thinking about my debts and betting problems.”
And here we were, thinking that he cried because he cares about Juve so much
And here we were, thinking that he cried because he cares about Juve so much
It was what had been reported in the more reputable side of italian media, and now there are the quotes from his confession and his own apology statement on social media.
https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Seri...gatti-e-dragusin-ho-pianto-per-i-debiti.shtml
He is getting a minimal sentence of 7 months suspension and gambling rehab due to cooperation with the authorities and not having gambled on games of his teams.
https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Seri...gatti-e-dragusin-ho-pianto-per-i-debiti.shtml
He is getting a minimal sentence of 7 months suspension and gambling rehab due to cooperation with the authorities and not having gambled on games of his teams.