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Fliakis said:
why would i care about his nationaly? i just dont like the notion of people making bussiness out of football. maybe im an old school guy but i love it when clubs are in touch with their roots. be it agnellis or morattis. its just beautiful. while americans glazers, russians abramovich's and lithuanian ivanovs at hearts just dont look right..
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It's naive, but there's something to that. In a strange way, this Serie B tour for Juve has been a chance to reconnect with the roots of the game ... as if to take football and set the clock back 50 years before "sponsorship whore" entered the football boardroom vernacular.

MrsPado'sShoes said:
I wish I could find the thread that was started when Glazer bought the club, and the primary outrage over it was the fact that he's an American. Where are all those people now?? Nicole??? Hellooooooo, Nicole?????? Where U at???
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:biggrin: Man, I remember giving Nicole so much grief for that. Here was a club that already made the moronic step of taking their ownership public years earlier -- and then only now, when some successful American was considered buying an underachieving club with the then-most financial resources in the world, did fans cry that the sky was falling.

Even funnier was all the ManU fan economics flunkies -- who tried to do a financial analysis of how borrowing money to buy the club would kill it, etc.
 

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Found it!

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10688

...and one of my favorite own posts in that thread:

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I don't buy any of this "Glazer will kill ManU" argument at all yet. Sorry. I do not see sufficient evidence to see any of this as the de facto "death of the club." What I see are a lot more superstitious, Chicken Little ManU fans squawking about everywhere yelling, "please don't touch my club -- it will die!". Talk about a petite flower.

So far, all I see are extreme biases, superstitions, and no rational arguments based on facts or truths.
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Nah, this is the best post in that the Glazer thread:

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Glazer is not only out there to destoy United's financials but the entire EPL as well. If he breaks the EPL collective TV rights agreement clubs other than the usual Top 4 will get as messed up financially as their italian counterparts. He is not only the enemy of Man Utd but also of teams such as Southampton, Tottenham, Everton and Newcastle. Maybe supporters of other teams should join in and let their disapproval be heard.
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The filthy paparazzi who earn their living by rummaging through David Beckham's dustbin today confirmed that the former England captain recently discarded several empty milk cartons, a handful of used batteries and up to 83 bits of fluff - proof, if any were needed, that Goldenballs is serious about turning his back on superfluous material goods in order to selflessly devote himself to missionary work in the United States. And the 31-year-old footballer-turned-philanthropist spoke out to reiterate that point today.

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Though visibly tired from almost 24 hours of high-fiving the agents who negotiated the sacrifice that will earn him just under $1m-per-week over the next five years, Beckham mustered enough earnestness to again tell hacks: "This move for me is not about the money, it's about making a difference in the US with the soccer." And having seamlessly dropped 'football' for 'soccer', the ever PR-savvy evangelist continued his sermon by adding: "Kids there are brought up with soccer to a certain age and then they seem to go into other areas. Hopefully that's what I'll be there for, to pass my experience on to them."

Beckham's trailblazing altruism has already inspired a slew of footballing old folks to follow his noble lead, with burger-bodied Brazilian striker Ronaldo being without doubt the biggest player to have immediately instructed his agents to hook him up with some MLS sucke ... sorry, club. "Football will only take off if Beckham's not the only one, you need a few more," explained French sage Arsenal Wenger, adding: "If American football wants to make a big leap, it will need an influx of big stars." His conscience duly pricked, elderly Spurs outcast Edgar Davids was another to answer America's call-to-alms. "We spoke to his agents and have been told he's available," whooped Dallas Burn boss Steve Morrow, almost as loudly as Davids and his agents whooped when they heard they may be off to the home of the whopping salary.

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And Guardian bloggers Barry Glendenning and Sean Ingle wrote rambunctiously, "According to the Battersea Dogs' Home website, 'Giving a home to a rescue animal is one of the most rewarding experiences a person can have.' However, they warn: 'It is important to know and feel that you are ready to take on the commitment of another life, a life that will be totally dependent on you for up to 15 years.'

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    MrsPado'sShoes said:
    That is awfully short-sighted of you.

    EXTREMELY short sighted of you.

    Is Beckham "done" as far as being a regular first teamer on a premier club in Europe?? Yes, he is.

    Has he lost a step?? Yes, he has.

    Is he a player, like Mattheus, Valderrama, et al... who came here when they were in their late 30's for the sole purpose of looking to cash in on one last payday?? Absolutely not.

    It took MLS a while to figure this out, but they finally realized that the ill-fated formula of young, home grown talent, and rapidly aging stars wasn't working, both on the field and in the stands.

    The casual fans knew very little of these old players, and the hard core fans knew that the product they were seeing out of said players was merely a shell of what they used to be. And that is the big, BIG difference here. Mattheus, and to a degree, Valderama, were basically useless when they were here. Beckham can still be a game changer and a viable presence in THIS LEAGUE, which admitedly, is not nearly on par with other leagues around the world.

    Beckham, at the age of 31, can, and will be a very effective player for the Galaxy, give the MLS world wide recognition, and be a flashpoint for players at similar stages of their careers to come and play football here.

    Bottom line, there is very little downside to all of this. Beckham is going to make a ton of money here, his popularity will now be influenced by American audiences. The MLS, if you bothered checking up on this, have a very, very minimal financial risk (400,000.00 a year on his contract, the rest being paid for thru endorsements, part ownership in the Galaxy, and by the owners of the Galaxy, AEG Inc.)



    What else were they supposed to do Nick???

    Your post reeked of a very pessimistic attitude towards American Soccer, almost to the point where you would like to see it fail.
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    It will not give the MLS world wide soccer recognition..it will give the soccer in the US recognition. HOw long...until the johnny-come-lately fans stop buying the hype. It begins with the GAME ...not a big name. If they don't feel for the game no one will get them hooked.
    Instead of investing the money into young players or maybe (long shot/pipe dream) signing YOUNG talents and daring to entice someone like Messi or Adriano to sign it signs a player who is all about 'marketing' and 'hype'. Sorry Sergio, I would love nothing more than for US soccer and the MLS to strive..Andy and Burke have proven me wrong on the US Team (which I admitted) and made me appreciate the team a bit more. That said, this is not the way to bring the league par to par with European levels. How could Beckham say no?? Add L.A. into the picture with the superficial happiness someone like Beckham lives for and you have the perfect 'haven' for him.
    NASL failed after bringing in the big names Pele, Chinaglia, Beckenbauer, etc. Do you think Beckham coming over to the MLS will entice a player like Kaka or Buffon to join the Red Bulls because suddenly Beckham gives it credibility. Not by a long shot. If they keep throwing the money at players some who see their career coming to an end may make the jump but those that play to compete will not give it a thought.
     
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    Andy said:
    You could be right, however we do know Beckham has quite pull over his blinded beloved fans, particulary in Asia. I'm sure at least some people in England will continue to follow the career of their former captain... at least to some degree, sort of like the situation with Waterreus and other Dutch players. But the real pull for cash will come from those crazed Asian fans who want to do a little pulling of Becks themselves..
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    Heard the rumor on two Italian talk shows (radio). Also told it was rumored on two sports shows in Italy.

    "Don't be surprised to see Santa deliver a big name like Del Piero, although it might take six months for that gift to arrive."

    SOURCE: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=397076&root=mls&cc=5901

    He has been saying it for some time:

    "When I leave Juventus I don't see myself playing with Fiorentina or Sampdoria - I see myself with Los Angeles Galaxy."

    http://www.soccer-weblog.com/50226711/del_piero_hints_at_mls_move.php
     
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    ßömßärdîër said:
    Try to sign Dida and Pirlo and Pippo.........

    They would all rather live here.
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    Unless you have lived in Italy please refrain from making statements out of your ass....the money is here...the riches are here but trust me when I tell you WE don't know how to live my man. Having money in America is well...cool. Having money in Europe is probably better than heaven.
     
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