Nick Against the World (54 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but by argument i meant a coherent rational elaboration of thought. As far as you not wanting to discuss it you're the one who commented on my statement it is only natural for me to rebut. At the end of the day one thing matters, not stats or Opinions, W's

 

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[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
Sorry for the misunderstanding, but by argument i meant a coherent rational elaboration of thought.

Yeah that happens alot around here

But yeah you got me a bad time, I'm drained.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well yeah I would say we are behind the likes of Brazil, Argentina, Italy, England, Germany, and France, but apart from that we are not too far behind. We already beat Portugal once at the World Cup and should have done better against Germany in the QF's if the ref would have called that clear handball on Frings; we would have had a PK and Frings would have been ejected.

All things considered this new US team is more talented than the one in 2002, but the question will be can Arena get us to come together once again and play as a team. Without the latter element we are nothing, as seen today against England. If we cannot stick to our system and work for each other we will not be successful, much like Greece at the Euros last year. But if they can do it there is no reason why this US team could not replicate their success.

Perhaps not next year in Germany but in 2010 we will have the most skillful US squad in history, mark my words.

 

[jaecole]

No one doubts they are getting better sure. And certainly beating big teams and advancing in tournaments is possible, we've seen that in recent times. But as far as producing star football players who play at the highest level of football, they are a long shot behind the others. In 2010 they may have a decent team but it will be a long time, if ever before they continually output the quality of Italy for example.

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
I got home at 7 am last night, my stupid phone was on silent so I had 16 missed calls from my friends whom i was supposed to go with. Between you and me I dont feel as bad as last night was worth it

hehe

 

[Bjerknes]

We probably will never put out the same quality as Italy, but we only need 14 very good players to challenge for the World Cup. And with Bruce Arena who is an excellent coach anything is possible. The only thing we lacked in 2002 was individual talent to make a break through in the tough matches, such as the one against Germany. In 2010 we just might have that talent to actually contend for the title.

Eddie Johnson, Freddy Adu, Johnny Spector, Eddie Gaven, Onyweu, Gibbs, Howard, and Danny Szetela will all be in or close to their primes, so we shall see what happens. That is a talented group of players though.

 

[jaecole]

Indeed, but talent that can be matched and bettered by the other nations. But you never know, we'll see what happens.

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Yeah they do, because it works. If defensive football works, why do anything else?

I said that in the context of my other post, which was pondering on the fact that maybe Liverpool had no choice but to defend, given the 'lesser' players in their squad. Chelsea, on the other hand, can't throw up that argument.

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
I am learning from you Gray.

That meaning what exactly?

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Picture watching the action from an elevated position where you can see the players and their positions like an aerial view of sorts...

An elevated position is very different from having a top-down view of the action, so I've always thought that it'd be difficult to judge unless the incident in question happened right in front of you.

As we've agreed though, you'd obviously know much better than me, so I'll take your word for it.

 

[baggio]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++

I think you don't really understand the term FOOTBALL GODS...think WEATHER GODS....etc. you are thinking of legends...different.

P.S. Your right..nothing is wrong with catenaccio..until an Italian does it and it is then dubbed "anti-football".

They lost one game out of 6 including the second round against Man U; Inter and PSV....
Did you watch them apart from the one game they lost against PSV or are you just basing it on that..

please explain to me how a team that wins 5 games and allows NO GOALS in those FIVE GAMES and loses ONE does not deserve to be in the final...

No. You dint understand what i meant by going against your metaphor football gods. Luck can only take one so far, the rest of which is in your own hands and you are accountable for it. As were the symbols on the Milan backline.

As for the Catennacio, save the rant for the English and Spanish journalists, because ive always considered it to be part of the game, defense to me is as important as attack.

Sure, Milan did well in the duration of the tournament, but i wonder how then you fail to see Liverpool were not too bad themselves the entire time.
Infact, they definitely had the more impressive run in, to the final than Milan.

And im sorry, but in the two games against PSV, Milan were run ragged all over the field, even in the first leg that they won 2-0. PSV lacked a the desicive strike that nite, or it could and would have been a different story.

The point is, statistics dont mean anything at the end of the day. Its who wins and who goes home. Milan vs PSV will go down as a game won by Milan and lost by PSV, not one that commemorates PSV; who were the better team. Milan vs Liverpool to me was a game where both teams played to their strengths, and Liverpool did a better job of it.

 

[Vinman]

I put this post in the match thread..

But I figured guys like Don Bes and Max come here too....



For all the Canadian fans out there...

TLN is NOT, I repeat, is NOT showing the match today

They are showing Milan, instead

No Mutu, no trophy celebrations...what a bunch of bullshit !!!!

This means I have to watch GolTV, and their shitty commentators(and they probably wont show the trophy presentation, either :fero::fero::fero

 

[Bjerknes]

I seriously cannot stand this Gol TV commentary anymore.

They don't even know the difference between Pessotto and Birindelli, they have no clue how each player has played this season, and they even said Capello will always play Del Piero. What a bunch of idiots!

And they have absolutely no clue about Cagliari either.

 

[Azzurri7]

Lol, they drive ya crazy eh??

 

[Vinman]

and to top it all off...

They didnt show the trophy presentation, either

they went straight into the Milan game

luckily, I was able to see it on Rai International

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++


No. You dint understand what i meant by going against your metaphor football gods. Luck can only take one so far, the rest of which is in your own hands and you are accountable for it. As were the symbols on the Milan backline.

Did you watch the game?
Because apart from the 7 minutes of three goals Liverpool did little else...in fact, can you name ONE save Dida made that night?
In three shots they scored...afterwards they allowed Milan to ROMP through and try every which way to put it away allowing Tomasson, Shevchenko and Kaka to be inches from goal.
The best player in Europe not scoring on two back to back attempts is unexplicable..hence, FOOTBALL GODS.
Don't take it LITERAL there buddy.

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++
As for the Catennacio, save the rant for the English and Spanish journalists, because ive always considered it to be part of the game, defense to me is as important as attack.

Sure, Milan did well in the duration of the tournament, but i wonder how then you fail to see Liverpool were not too bad themselves the entire time.
Infact, they definitely had the more impressive run in, to the final than Milan.

The ISSUE here is Milan not deserving to be in the final as you stated.......so WHO Then deserved to face Liverpool? PSV? So they win one game 3-1 but lose the first 2-0 and they deserve to be in the final?
Milan won (not tied) 7 consecutive games in CL and the PSV goal was the first one conceded in 6 games....

You really have high standards I guess

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++
And im sorry, but in the two games against PSV, Milan were run ragged all over the field, even in the first leg that they won 2-0. PSV lacked a the desicive strike that nite, or it could and would have been a different story.

"Run ragged yet they scored two goals in the opener and shut PSV down...

yeah they really let them have it...:dontcare:

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++

The point is, statistics dont mean anything at the end of the day. Its who wins and who goes home. Milan vs PSV will go down as a game won by Milan and lost by PSV, not one that commemorates PSV; who were the better team. Milan vs Liverpool to me was a game where both teams played to their strengths, and Liverpool did a better job of it.

NO the point is that you basically took the second PSV game and dis-regarded the Manchester United matches..and the Inter matches in which MIlan not only WON every game but did not ALLOW ONE GOAL and said..
despite this Milan did not deserve to be in the final???

You still have not explained why

 

[A_LAcki]

Yo Incubo, thats for you!

 

[baggio]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Did you watch the game?
Because apart from the 7 minutes of three goals Liverpool did little else...in fact, can you name ONE save Dida made that night?
In three shots they scored...afterwards they allowed Milan to ROMP through and try every which way to put it away allowing Tomasson, Shevchenko and Kaka to be inches from goal.
The best player in Europe not scoring on two back to back attempts is unexplicable..hence, FOOTBALL GODS.
Don't take it LITERAL there buddy.



The ISSUE here is Milan not deserving to be in the final as you stated.......so WHO Then deserved to face Liverpool? PSV? So they win one game 3-1 but lose the first 2-0 and they deserve to be in the final?
Milan won (not tied) 7 consecutive games in CL and the PSV goal was the first one conceded in 6 games....
You really have high standards I guess
"Run ragged yet they scored two goals in the opener and shut PSV down...
yeah they really let them have it...:dontcare:



NO the point is that you basically took the second PSV game and dis-regarded the Manchester United matches..and the Inter matches in which MIlan not only WON every game but did not ALLOW ONE GOAL and said..
despite this Milan did not deserve to be in the final???
You still have not explained why

Thats where your missing the point. Apart from the 7 minutes that they scored 3 goals they did little else? Tell me, what more did they need to do, once they had the goals in the bag? Like i said, they played within their gameplan thereon in, and continued to be defensive enough, which led them to their next objective: penalties, and that eventually to victory.




Call me a little biased here, but when you have a team like Milan does, and you meet a team like PSV, you ought to put the game away, without too much trouble, especially considering the fact that they beat Man Utd and Inter along the way adn were experienced enough at such a late stage in the competition. Yep, I am actually putting greater emphasis on the 2nd leg, because it put the result in perspective. PSV lost the first game 2-0 and yet, came back and erased that deficit in the second leg, which I wouldnt expect, considering the opposition, was by far the stronger team. So yes, you're right about my high standards.



Sure, Milan beat Man Utd and Inter without allowing a single goal, only to almost throw it all away by allowing three in one game against a club of much smaller stature in PSV.

IIRC, i said Milan were lucky to be in the final, not undeserving. Lucky, implying how they got there on literally, a last minute goal.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++



Thats where your missing the point. Apart from the 7 minutes that they scored 3 goals they did little else? Tell me, what more did they need to do, once they had the goals in the bag? Like i said, they played within their gameplan thereon in, and continued to be defensive enough, which led them to their next objective: penalties, and that eventually to victory.

no way they or anyone can predict the shoot-out so there strategy of playing for the shoot-out was simply because they knew they could not put it away during the game.
What they needed to do was win...during regular time which they could not..because as I said 'those 8 minutes' were all they had...
they were not defensive in the first half..and not in the second half...they got into defensive mode when it was clear they could not come close to a goal.

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++
Call me a little biased here, but when you have a team like Milan does, and you meet a team like PSV, you ought to put the game away, without too much trouble, especially considering the fact that they beat Man Utd and Inter along the way adn were experienced enough at such a late stage in the competition. Yep, I am actually putting greater emphasis on the 2nd leg, because it put the result in perspective. PSV lost the first game 2-0 and yet, came back and erased that deficit in the second leg, which I wouldnt expect, considering the opposition, was by far the stronger team. So yes, you're right about my high standards.

You also fail to consider that at the time Milan was the only team in Europe fighting for a league cup and the CL Title....they were in a long drawn out battle for both...which meant playing 10 games in a month. Losing one game considering all this is NOTHING....
Winning 6 out of 7 matches in the CL is quite a high standard...higher than anyone else involved. As a result, I fail to see how they don't deserve to be in the final and PSV does based on one game.

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++
Sure, Milan beat Man Utd and Inter without allowing a single goal, only to almost throw it all away by allowing three in one game against a club of much smaller stature in PSV.

IIRC, i said Milan were lucky to be in the final, not undeserving. Lucky, implying how they got there on literally, a last minute goal.

Fine..lucky....lucky because after winning 6 games in CL and not conceding a goal and after catching up to Juve with an 8 point deficit and later a 3 point deficit they lost one game...

I don't see it...sorry Baggio
In my opinion no team was an consistent and in form as Milan this season....unfortunately like many teams in the past they will have nothing to show for it..so be it
stranger things have happened...
i.e. defenders like Sammer have won a Ballon D'Or and Maldini has not....

 

[Zlatan]

We still finished with a 7 point lead.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
We still finished with a 7 point lead.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++
luckily, I was able to see it on Rai International

Ah fvck Vinni I didn't know that. :groan: