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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++





They are not playing the likes of Livorno in CL and as a result one cannot count on a Simic or Serginho for 90 minutes when they have barely played 30 minutes in the last month. Playing Dhorasso was easier said than done .. he has not yet found his niche in the team and a heated battle for Serie A and CL is not the time to 'test new missles'.
Every single cross Serginho gave was a good one. And if I'm correct he gave quite a few. Not only was he great against Liverpool, he was also outstanding against Juve. Serginho is one of the best crossers in the world and should play far more often. The fact that he's not a starter delights me as a Juve fan :).
 

Martin

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Spent the last two days at a conference held at the university where I work these days. My supervisor suggested I might want to make a poster for my project for exhibition at the conference and so I did. It's been a really fun and interesting couple of days, met a lot of interesting people and very professionally inspiring. Also got paid for it cause I was hired to handle the technical side of the presentations. :cool:

Here's a picture taken today if ya wanna see:
http://www.juventuz.net/numerodix/images/notur.jpg

Yes, I know it's dark and horrible quality.

In the unlikely event that you want to see the poster more clearly, I'll post the url even though I'm sure you won't but I will anyway cause I'm damn proud of it :D
http://gridportal.dynalias.org/docs/d10poster/notur.png
 
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IncuboRossonero

IncuboRossonero

Inferiority complex
Nov 16, 2003
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    ++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
    You don't need to use caps on certain words. This isn't special school.
    just think of it as me YELLING like a madman when the caps are present ;)

    SEVEN: Serginho has been good "as of recent" however he was also inefficient before that and was totally off his game or what we are accustomed to..I don't think he has it in him to be a full 90 minute player anymore...I could be dead wrong...

    Not saying he should go but he is not a starting eleven on this squad...
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    I'm not saying he should be always in team. But he should have been against Liverpool and Juventus or he should have at least got on sooner.
     

    Respaul

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    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


    Firstly Paul I expected more from you in the sense that if you are going to CUT and paste my posts and then attack paragraphs totally out of context then I say go work for FOX TELEVISION or Michael Moore Productions because I can't ..WON'T defend my statements when you pull them out of context....
    Out of context indeed... purleez...
    I replied to the relevant parts... why to the whole thing?
    Its not out of context if you read your statements over the last week or so rather than jus this post.
    Why would you expect more when you and some others have attacked my coleagues for said offence over the last weeks... so why would i be any different...

    I still believe that Milan played a better game than Liverpool ...
    As an opinion thats fine... my problem is your talk of domination... which is crap
    And your lack of acceptance and respect for liverpools achievements.
    They played their game and got it right.
    They took a gamble in the first half which went wildly wrong.. They then changed their tactics and got back into the match... before changing their tactics again to play out to penalties.

    They got what they wanted... can milan say the same?
    Of course not.... so if lfc's tactics worked and milans didnt how can you not give credit?


    As for Serie A...I stated that Juve played a better game at San Siro. But I also believe that the gruelling schedule was more the reason they lost than Juve being a better team this season...
    Firstly i never at any point said juve were the better team... they werent
    Schedule... bollocks... You also forget that we played extra games before your season even started... you forget that LFC played more games than you anyway.
    And no... milan should never have had any part in serie a... to throw away an 8 point lead at that point was unforgiveable... We let you back in... you did not earn it.
    And dont ***** to me about your opposition... thats part of the game and something we all have at different times.


    Personally I think this Juve team was one of the LESS IMPRESSIVE in MANY YEARS ...
    The fact that one player barely stands out for having a stellar year speaks volumes about them.
    And i would agree... this juve team is weak in many ways... to be fair the whole serie a this season has been somewhat of a comedy of errors imo



    I'm glad you mentioned that because the only team showing its true colors who refused to move the match later on given the hectic CL schedule was the always classy and honest "Vecchia Signora".....real sportsmanship.
    I dont know where you got that from... But i do remember on the day it was suggested for the 2nd to last game to be changed... moggi came out in support of the idea.



    Benjamin Disraeli once said there are 3 great lies in this world:
    LIES..DAMN LIES and STATISTICS....
    Irrelevant... Not too mention that personally i couldnt give a fvck what disraeli ever had to say

    Playing Inter your cross city rival who hates you more than DEATH TWICE in the middle of the week and staying atop Serie A is more than just playing a few..more games..

    we were also not playing the likes of LIVORNO and REGGINA in those SIGNIFICANT "other" games.....
    those games .. each one was literally DO or DIE (that is what Capello has not yet learned about CL League).....so that arguement .....

    Sell it to the tourists....
    Jeez... I think im gonna cry... Stop moaning
     
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    IncuboRossonero

    IncuboRossonero

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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


    Out of context indeed... purleez...
    I replied to the relevant parts... why to the whole thing?
    Its not out of context if you read your statements over the last week or so rather than jus this post.
    Why would you expect more when you and some others have attacked my coleagues for said offence over the last weeks... so why would i be any different...
    I was illustrating HOW Milan did more in the second half than Liverpool did in the first half. Thus, here is where the "LIVERPOOL DID NOTHING" quote came from. Relevant part? You put words in my mouth so to speak. I will not reply to something I didn't say...

    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    As an opinion thats fine... my problem is your talk of domination... which is crap
    And your lack of acceptance and respect for liverpools achievements.
    They played their game and got it right.
    They took a gamble in the first half which went wildly wrong.. They then changed their tactics and got back into the match... before changing their tactics again to play out to penalties.
    They played their game? PK's is a crap shoot and playing for PK's is football's version of Russian Roulette..you know that Paul. Liverpool had NO CHOICE but to put their eggs in the "Penalty kicks" basket because they could do little else..they let Milan dictate the game after the their three goals .. they were the luckier team and they won because of PK's. The comeback was valiant but they did little else.
    Dudek was tested....Dida was not. I fail to believe that tactic was to allow Kaka and Sheva to TEST Dudek until the 120th minute.
    Tactic was "hold em back and hope for the BIGGER horseshoe"

    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    They got what they wanted... can milan say the same?
    Of course not.... so if lfc's tactics worked and milans didnt how can you not give credit?
    I give credit where its due but not when it comes down to a crap shoot. I refuse to believe that Liverpool KNEW they would win in PK...they had no other choice. Thus, I don't see credit to be given here.



    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    Firstly i never at any point said juve were the better team... they werent
    Schedule... bollocks... You also forget that we played extra games before your season even started... you forget that LFC played more games than you anyway.
    And no... milan should never have had any part in serie a... to throw away an 8 point lead at that point was unforgiveable... We let you back in... you did not earn it.
    And dont ***** to me about your opposition... thats part of the game and something we all have at different times.
    Firstly, Liverpool were in 5th place and battling for sweet fvck. So that argument is pure NONESENSE.
    Secondly, I was talking about "in the heat of the battle" and not games played in August. Playing 10 games in a month is NIGHT and DAY to playing 5 games in August and five in March which also happens to total 10. You know that Paul.

    Lastly, if instant replay existed Juve would have been denied a SH*LOAD of points....and the Scudetto would have been Milan's three weeks before the San Siro match-up. You let us have nothing....you drudged along Serie A just enough to catch us at our level of exhaustion. You think the scenario would have been the same if we were not in CL??
    Yeah RIGHT...sing me a song....

    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    And i would agree... this juve team is weak in many ways... to be fair the whole serie a this season has been somewhat of a comedy of errors imo
    true...I also believe Ancelotti's JUVE was better than this one.



    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    I dont know where you got that from... But i do remember on the day it was suggested for the 2nd to last game to be changed... moggi came out in support of the idea.
    you know where I got it from. You also know its true. Ask around. The last time Milan Juve was played in the afternoon was in 95.





    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    Irrelevant... Not too mention that personally i couldnt give a fvck what disraeli ever had to say
    The POINT was made...stats are misleading and YOU KNOW it was more than just 3 MORE GAMES..(actually 4 in reality). CL quarter finals and semi's are more than JUST GAMES PAUL. this ain't COPPA ITALIA....
    again...say it with me...

    YOU KNOW THAT.


    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
    Jeez... I think im gonna cry... Stop moaning
    Don't be such a Gobbi..you know I have a point.
     
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    IncuboRossonero

    IncuboRossonero

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    I would like to know your opinions on the following regarding the Serie A season that has just concluded:

    1. Best player.

    2. Best Italian player.

    3. Player who was most instrumental player in helping Juve win the Scudetto.

    4. Best Goal.

    5. Biggest surprise (in terms of player)
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
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    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
    I would like to know your opinions on the following regarding the Serie A season that has just concluded:

    1. Best player.

    2. Best Italian player.

    3. Player who was most instrumental player in helping Juve win the Scudetto.

    4. Best Goal.

    5. Biggest surprise (in terms of player)
    hmm....

    off the top of my head -

    1 and 2 are a tie between Lucarelli and Gilardino. Both playing well, and both being Italian

    3. Fabio Cannavaro, without a doubt

    4. DP's goal against Siena

    5. Again, its Lucarelli. I really didnt know much about him, until he showed what he's all about this season
     

    Bjerknes

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    1. Best Player

    My vote has to go to David PIZARRO of Udinese. This guy is quite possibly the most talented midfielder below the best of the big three clubs in Italy, and he was given the job by Spalletti to control his side's pace and flow going forward. Pizarro's passing range is close to world class and is very underated when compared to the likes of Pirlo, Xavi, and other deep-lying playmakers. And leading his side to the Champions League is surely a plus.

    2. Best Italian Player

    This one is tough but I would have to say a tie between Mauro CAMORANESI and Andrea PIRLO. The former has been very instrumental this season in leading our midfield going forward, especially in the absence of Nedved for a good portion of the year. Pirlo has been fantastic this season, perhaps the only player Ancelloti could not do without. When he was missing from action you could really tell the difference in Milan's ability to penetrate the opposition defense. IMO Pirlo is the world's best deep lying playmaker.

    3. Most Instrumental Juventus Player

    Two for this one as well, CANNAVARO and EMERSON. Obviously our defense needed to be rejuvenated after last year's joke and Cannavaro was the player that sured things up rather nicely. IMO he was the best defender in Serie A this year. We also needed midfield cover to protect the defense, and Emerson was outstanding in shielding the back four. He was almost impassible for most of the season, and without his work in midfield we would not have the best defense in Italy...far from it actually. Not many holes were available to the opposition when he was on the field.

    4. Best Goal

    Riccardo ZAMPAGNA against Livorno last Sunday. Zanchi crossed the ball to a marked Zampagna and the latter finished the ball in the upper 90 with a straight overhead kick. Sick goal.

    Oh, and also Appiah's wonderstrike against Cagliari on Sunday.

    5. Biggest Surprise

    I certainly agree with Vinni on this one. LUCARELLI has been quite amazing this season, scoring plenty of goals for an average Livorno side compared to others. I remember him from his Torino days in which he scored many for our city rivals, however this summer he rejected a 500,000 Euro contract with Toro to return to his favorite club of all, Livorno. As captain of Livorno he is earning much less than that if he stayed at Toro, so he is indeed a player who should be honored not just because of his amazing goal tally.

    6. Best manager (new catagory)

    My vote would have to go to Walter Novellino. He guided a pretty average Samp side to almost a Champions League spot this term. He also built one of Italy's best defenses with such an average squad. Half of Serie A has superior squads to Samp's.
     

    Respaul

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    No time for reasons at mo :



    1. Best player.

    Iaquinta


    3. Player who was most instrumental player in helping Juve win the Scudetto.

    Canna and DP


    4. Best Goal.

    Rui Costa


    5. Biggest surprise (in terms of player)

    Antonioli

    6. Manager of the year

    Mutti

    7. Serie A Man of the year

    Zeman
     

    baggio

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    Jun 3, 2003
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    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
    I would like to know your opinions on the following regarding the Serie A season that has just concluded:

    1. Best player.

    2. Best Italian player.

    3. Player who was most instrumental player in helping Juve win the Scudetto.

    4. Best Goal.

    5. Biggest surprise (in terms of player)

    1. Andriy Shevchenko

    2. Mauro German Camoranesi

    3. Fabio Cannavaro

    4. Havent seen this one, but given the situation of the game at that point of time, I'd have to say Alberto Gilardino's bicycle kick in the last matchday for Parma.

    5. Alessandro Del Piero
     

    JCK

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    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
    I would like to know your opinions on the following regarding the Serie A season that has just concluded:

    1. Best player.

    2. Best Italian player.

    3. Player who was most instrumental player in helping Juve win the Scudetto.

    4. Best Goal.

    5. Biggest surprise (in terms of player)
    1. Lucarelli
    2. Lucarelli
    3. Cannavaro was most helpful, I don't know about instrumental....maybe Emerson or Camoranesi.
    4. ---
    5. Iaquinta
    6. Capello as best manager
    7. Del Piero honourary mention for his patience and class
    8. Zlatan as best new-comer.
     

    Chxta

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    Nov 1, 2004
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    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
    I would like to know your opinions on the following regarding the Serie A season that has just concluded:

    1. Best player.

    2. Best Italian player.

    3. Player who was most instrumental player in helping Juve win the Scudetto.

    4. Best Goal.

    5. Biggest surprise (in terms of player)
    1. Gilardino
    2. Gilardino
    3. Cana
    4. Trez against Milan (sentiment talks)
    5. Cambiasso (I thought he was finished)
     

    Respaul

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    Jul 14, 2002
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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


    You have got to be kidding me. Zeman as a coach is incredibly overrated. He's lucky he had Vucinic or they would be going down to B.
    Seeing as i didnt vote him as best coach (I voted Mutti for that)... thats somewhat irrelevant


    ps. Why were you surprised by lucarelli... I mean the odds on him being top scorer at season start were pretty short... It was expected he would do well
     

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