Nick Against the World (17 Viewers)

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Freedom isn't getting killed. A corrupt administration is overstepping its bounds as some have before. Pretty soon people will come to their senses, idiots in Congress will no longer have jobs and the US will be a happy place as it was pre 2000.

I heard Newt Gingrich (yes, Newt) on the radio this morning saying that, "I fear a strong executive branch. I believe the power you give to hunt down a terrorist also rapidly becomes the power of an out-of-control U.S. attorney to hunt down somebody for other reasons."

 

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[Martin]

Freedom isn't getting killed. A corrupt administration is overstepping its bounds as some have before. Pretty soon people will come to their senses, idiots in Congress will no longer have jobs and the US will be a happy place as it was pre 2000.

ref Greg's boiling frog

When exactly do you see this happening? What is the threshold? At what point did the German people decide "that's enough" and do away with Hitler?

 

[JCK]

That is discrimination. It doesn't count as racism unless the guy with dreads is a minority.

Guys with dreads ARE a minority.

 

[Geof]

The point is not communism. The point is that supreme nations, empires without competition, are (if you base yourself on historical evidence) destined to become severely rotten.

Perhaps it would be more correct to compare the US to the Roman Empire. The point is that democratic values and freedom are swiftly losing their ground

That's a nice political and theoretical analysis. But what can we do about it?

Create a counter super power to balance the world (the Communist EU ? a Pan-Islamic alliance? China?), in other words, do we need a war (even a cold one) to bring back a balance? By the way, isn't a war, or a tense situation also creating a fertile soil for the wheeping of civil liberties. In such a time, the interest of the nation are superior to the personal interests (read: liberties).
War or cold war doesn't seem to be the answer.

The only solution is probably to be vigilant. Keeping a democratic state organised in a Montesquieu-style division of competence is often not enough. Each citizen has the duty of protesting whenever his personal liberties are endangered. But in our post-modern society, every individual somehow seems to think that someone else is gonna do it.
So, are we screwed?

By the way, is there something as a Court of Human Rights in the US? Or is the Supreme Court taking that job. I mean, when an individual has a grief against the State on a Human Rights level (e.g. torture, disrespect of private property,...)?

That is discrimination. It doesn't count as racism unless the guy with dreads is a minority.

Isn't racism supposed to be based on race? You're a racist when you discriminate people because of their ehnicity/race.
Racism is just one type of dicrimination.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Just take Italy as an example. Berlusconi censored a lot .

Please tell me ONE THING Berlusconi censored...
RAI was run by the same age old bureaucrats despite HE being in power.
A three hour show by Celentano ran once a week which be-littled Berlusconi for the entire time with songs, skits and commentary WHILE he was in power. These type of shows are barely seen in the US that degrade the government to the level he has...
Roberto Benigni is another individual who blasted Berlusconi's government every chance he got..
These shows ran....and you are talking about CENSORSHIP?

So what in the HELL are you talking about??
As usual you have no facts to back up your statement.

and he's miles away from communism. I don't know why people tend to think communism is so much worse than the right wing anyway. Both extremes lead to the same consequences in practice.

Berlusconi is far from an extremist but I don't expect you to know that based on what you just posted...he is a fiscal conservatist who sits on the Center right..his allegiance is made up of some right wing parties but that is the system in Italy ... Left alignes with extreme left and vice versa.

None of Berlusconi's policies even HINT at being extreme Right nor do any of his parties...

 

[Geof]

Nick, ever heard of Sabina Guzzanti? Saw the movie she made, Viva Zapatero?

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Nick, ever heard of Sabina Guzzanti? Saw the movie she made, Viva Zapatero?

Saw her TV show back in the day..and it was far more than THE DAILY SHOW style..it was pointless... all she did was be-little Berlusconi from his policies to his lack of hair to his height...she was obsessed with him in certain ways. Don't be fooled, the show was not pulled for censorship reasons..Celentano was far more destructive...the show was pulled for LACK of CREATIVITY. she was fox news x rush limbaugh x o'reilly factor x 20

 

[Bjerknes]

What the fuck is going on in Romania? Orphans are being left up for grabs in the street because the government wants a seat in the EU? Sheesh.

 

[The Pado]

If you are not satisfied with your own homeland. If your government is pure evil. If you want to avoid your mandatory military service, do what I did:

Johnny Depp bought his own island, so I just moved there. No government, except for Depp, and he isn't about to remove me. And I can ride bikes all day with frick and frack (Props to the Vinman).

 

[IncuboRossonero]

If you are not satisfied with your own homeland. If your government is pure evil. If you want to avoid your mandatory military service, do what I did:

Johnny Depp bought his own island, so I just moved there. No government, except for Depp, and he isn't about to remove me. And I can ride bikes all day with frick and frack (Props to the Vinman).

Chillin with Officer Tom from 21 Jump Street...and staring at Vanessa Paradis all day..how do you say : Je like ..Je like. Maybe you can convince him to appoint Benicio Del Toro from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas as the Vice President of DeppLand... to quote Burke..that would be pure sickness yo int:

 

[Martin]

Guys, here's a message Sergio asked me to post in this thread.

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Hey Guys.

I just wanted to catch up with you.

I haven't been on the forum in a while, and the reason is because I've been very sick lately, both physically and mentally.


My depression has gotten really bad, to the point where I'm on my third new medication in the last 2 months. Nothing seems to be working. Medication, Therapy, nothing. Don't worry, I'm not about to do anything stupid. I have way too much to live for. This new medication that I'm on seems to be helping, but not to the point where I can come back here on a regular basis and be my old self again.

I don't know if I'm going to be back on the forum anytime soon. Please keep in mind that this has nothing to do with anyone here on the forum or even the forum in general. I'm just not very well right now. I feel as if I'm fighting an enemy I can't see.

I have always, and will always, think very highly of my friends here on the forum, and I just wanted to let you all know that. If you guys want to post this on the Nick thread, then by all means, go ahead. I won't be upset in the least.

Take care everyone, and hopefully I'll be back soon.


Sergio

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Guys, here's a message Sergio asked me to post in this thread.

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Hey Guys.

I just wanted to catch up with you.

I haven't been on the forum in a while, and the reason is because I've been very sick lately, both physically and mentally.


My depression has gotten really bad, to the point where I'm on my third new medication in the last 2 months. Nothing seems to be working. Medication, Therapy, nothing. Don't worry, I'm not about to do anything stupid. I have way too much to live for. This new medication that I'm on seems to be helping, but not to the point where I can come back here on a regular basis and be my old self again.

I don't know if I'm going to be back on the forum anytime soon. Please keep in mind that this has nothing to do with anyone here on the forum or even the forum in general. I'm just not very well right now. I feel as if I'm fighting an enemy I can't see.

I have always, and will always, think very highly of my friends here on the forum, and I just wanted to let you all know that. If you guys want to post this on the Nick thread, then by all means, go ahead. I won't be upset in the least.

Take care everyone, and hopefully I'll be back soon.


Sergio

GODSPEED FRATELLO...

WE ARE WAITING FOR YOU int:

 

[The Pado]

Chillin with Officer Tom from 21 Jump Street...and staring at Vanessa Paradis all day..how do you say : Je like ..Je like. Maybe you can convince him to appoint Benicio Del Toro from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas as the Vice President of DeppLand... to quote Burke..that would be pure sickness yo int:

Sorry, but here on Depp Island, our vice president is the unemployed pirate from the FedEx commercial who can only say, "Aaarrgh"

 

[The Pado]

@Sergio - Depression is so insidious. Thankfully you recognized it and are seeking help. Get well, my friend.

 

[Enron]

Guys, here's a message Sergio asked me to post in this thread.

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Take care everyone, and hopefully I'll be back soon.


Sergio

Take your time Sergio and get better my friend. This forum misses you.int:

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Still waiting for SevenCunts to respond

 

[Slagathor]

Freedom isn't getting killed. A corrupt administration is overstepping its bounds as some have before. Pretty soon people will come to their senses, idiots in Congress will no longer have jobs and the US will be a happy place as it was pre 2000.

Freedom (for lack of a better word, really, but you know what I mean) is very fragile, scratch it and it withers. For now, it is definitely in the process of perishing.

That might change. It might not.

Usually people utter phrases such as "Someone should do something about it", dismissing the idea that they should perhaps be that someone.

In essence the concept of modern democracy is very young. Who knows two centuries from now students will study it in the chapter of political experiments from their history handbooks. We take it for granted, that's a mistake.

That's a nice political and theoretical analysis. But what can we do about it?

Create a counter super power to balance the world (the Communist EU ? a Pan-Islamic alliance? China?), in other words, do we need a war (even a cold one) to bring back a balance? By the way, isn't a war, or a tense situation also creating a fertile soil for the wheeping of civil liberties. In such a time, the interest of the nation are superior to the personal interests (read: liberties).
War or cold war doesn't seem to be the answer.

The only solution is probably to be vigilant. Keeping a democratic state organised in a Montesquieu-style division of competence is often not enough. Each citizen has the duty of protesting whenever his personal liberties are endangered. But in our post-modern society, every individual somehow seems to think that someone else is gonna do it.
So, are we screwed?

By the way, is there something as a Court of Human Rights in the US? Or is the Supreme Court taking that job. I mean, when an individual has a grief against the State on a Human Rights level (e.g. torture, disrespect of private property,...)?

Some sociologists argue the following: good and evil balance each other out and subsequently also support each other's existence. When either is allowed to take the upper hand for a short moment of time, it will inevitably adopt characteristics of the other until it implodes and restores the balance. The balance is self-sustaining. There can be no good without evil or vice versa.

The theory translates easily to modern politics and transnational connections.

Not that I support it by definition. I would never agree fully to this stance for the simple reason evil as such did not disappear as counterbalance with the collapse of the Soviet Empire. I would, however, agree the balance is currently off.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Still waiting for SevenCunts to respond

talking of responses i didnt see how the events of savoy and nice supported your claims of a monolithic free-acting italy at its inception

 

[The Pado]

talking of responses i didnt see how the events of savoy and nice supported your claims of a monolithic free-acting italy at its inception

If I may step in here, as I know well the House of Savoy - ahh, the cradle of kings centered in Torino where a man once sat a little boy on his knee and said, "boy, whatever happens, you must never tell anybody about what we did here today. Otherwise, I'll have to kill you, amico mio."

And I am proud to say that man was Tifoso Lou . . . and that little boy was me.

 

[Enron]

ref Greg's boiling frog

When exactly do you see this happening? What is the threshold? At what point did the German people decide "that's enough" and do away with Hitler?

I'm familiar with the story but it works if the frog isn't smart enough to know whats going on. Now when you apply this theory to a country you assume its people don't understand what's is occuring. In the case of the US, there are many people who know what is going on as demonstrated by Greg's introduction of the boiling frog. I think many people are underestimating the American people.

As for your question of a threshold and what it is. Right now no major rights or liberties have been taken away that effect the major population, but suppose a a curfew were imposed or even better, a military draft were instated. That would be crossing the line, even most conservatives would be outraged, which is what happened in the 1960s and 70s. As for your references to Nazi's and Hitler, that's soooooooo 2002. Besides Bush hardly has the ability to utter a sentence without a studder let alone whip a country into a nationalist frenzy.