Nick Against the World (14 Viewers)

[Vinman]

Martin: these developments have been predicted on the European front the minute the Soviet Empire collapsed. The theory is this: based on historical analyses, it is inevitable that great powers without competition turn rotten (in a nutshell).

Basically the USA is the new USSR, without the communism (Vinnie this is when you sigh of relief).

I'm fucking thrilled

 

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[IncuboRossonero]

You're right to say that it isn't racism. By Nick's own definition it isn't racism.

It is using stereotypes to make fun of a nationality or ethnicity. It may be mean and rude and even out of line but it certainly isn't racism.

Implying that Sicilians are mobsters and the only way for them to make a living is through crime is putting them on a lowel level than others: RACISM.

No, I consider myself of ITALIAN ORIGIN not Sicilian...yes we/they are somewhat different than mainland Italians but so are Calabrians, Neopolitans, etc. and besides its not like the borders were split up for us like most African nations where they are forced to consider themselves a nation.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Why do I sense a superiority complex amongst Italians? Is it just pride? Cause I see nothing wrong with that, but at times it seems to be a superiority complex. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anti Italian sentiment is nothing new. Players like Maldini and Baresi have never received the rightful European honors they deserved but legends like SAMMER (!) have ...
Italy loses the World Cup and every word, cough and look is spliced up by journalists to label them a bunch of WHINERS
Italy WINS the World Cup and the focus shifts to Calciopoli and Zidane rather than the incredible gelling of a team that was criticized from day one..
Blatter that stuffed pig does not hand out the award to the World Cup Champions and his merry men such as ScumBag Platini quickly downplay Italy's victory and compliment Zidane.

We don't feel superior but we feel we have to defend ourselves all the time...I don't know ONE Italian who felt superior to a Brit or a German..yet...

 

[Rami]

Sammer who?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Implying that Sicilians are mobsters and the only way for them to make a living is through crime is putting them on a lowel level than others: RACISM.

No, I consider myself of ITALIAN ORIGIN not Sicilian...yes we/they are somewhat different than mainland Italians but so are Calabrians, Neopolitans, etc. and besides its not like the borders were split up for us like most African nations where they are forced to consider themselves a nation.

then what do you call the referendum for savoy and the ceding of nice?

 

[Enron]

Implying that Sicilians are mobsters and the only way for them to make a living is through crime is putting them on a lowel level than others: RACISM.

Nah, it's definitely not racism. Though it is an INCORRECT IMPLICATION.

 

[swag]

Martin: these developments have been predicted on the European front the minute the Soviet Empire collapsed. The theory is this: based on historical analyses, it is inevitable that great powers without competition turn rotten (in a nutshell).

Basically the USA is the new USSR, without the communism (Vinnie this is when you sigh of relief).

Same circus, different clowns, comrade.

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1165134#post1165134

 

[Vinman]

Same circus, different clowns, comrade.

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1165134#post1165134

if that was actually the case, anything that came out of your piehole would be censored...including all your posts here, comrade !!

ask some Russian immigrants if they think that their new home, the USA is ANYTHING like the USSR

and btw Greg, no one is forcing you to stay...you could move to Holland and ride bicycles with frick and frack

 

[Enron]

The US is far from Communist. It's men like Vinnie that keep the country safe, though his pollitical opinions may not be our own.

And as for Martin's article on the Torture issue, I believe the US Supreme Court trounced it earlier in the week, though I could be mistaken.

 

[Slagathor]

The US is far from Communist. It's men like Vinnie that keep the country safe, though his pollitical opinions may not be our own.

And as for Martin's article on the Torture issue, I believe the US Supreme Court trounced it earlier in the week, though I could be mistaken.

The point is not communism. The point is that supreme nations, empires without competition, are (if you base yourself on historical evidence) destined to become severely rotten.

Perhaps it would be more correct to compare the US to the Roman Empire. The point is that democratic values and freedom are swiftly losing their ground

 

[Seven]

if that was actually the case, anything that came out of your piehole would be censored...including all your posts here, comrade !!

ask some Russian immigrants if they think that their new home, the USA is ANYTHING like the USSR

and btw Greg, no one is forcing you to stay...you could move to Holland and ride bicycles with frick and frack

Just take Italy as an example. Berlusconi censored a lot and he's miles away from communism. I don't know why people tend to think communism is so much worse than the right wing anyway. Both extremes lead to the same consequences in practice.

 

[swag]

if that was actually the case, anything that came out of your piehole would be censored...including all your posts here, comrade !!

ask some Russian immigrants if they think that their new home, the USA is ANYTHING like the USSR

and btw Greg, no one is forcing you to stay...you could move to Holland and ride bicycles with frick and frack

That's one element of communism. But let's look at the bigger picture of what's going on right now:

* Elections with questionable tallies and outcomes
-verdict: Communism
* Media censorship -- for example, the Latin American, European, and Asian editions of Newsweek are all running the cover story "Losing The War in Afghanistan", but in the U.S. edition the cover is "Annie Liebovitz' Amazing Life in Pictures"
-verdict: Communism
* People speak out against the president's decisions and suddenly find their CIA identities leaked to the press
-verdict: Communism
* Can someone be allowed to be held in prison for more than a couple of days without charges? You bet.
-verdict: Communism
* Unchecked presidential powers for torture and detainment
-verdict: Communism
* Unchecked government powers to listen in on all telephone coversations without a warrant
-verdict: Communism

I don't know if you've ever been to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. One of the things they do exceptionally well is help you experience how insidious the erosion of freedoms can be. Small oddities in policy and practices seem weird but acceptable at first, and nobody really protests because they're not the targeted interest groups. But the slippery slope has already begun... and continues from there.

 

[swag]

Just take Italy as an example. Berlusconi censored a lot and he's miles away from communism. I don't know why people tend to think communism is so much worse than the right wing anyway. Both extremes lead to the same consequences in practice.

Same circus, different clowns.

 

[Slagathor]

Good post, Greg. And well said: the way to kill freedom is by introducing restrictions slowly.

 

[JCK]

i know what you're trying to say, its just that sicillian isnt a race..

Personally I consider a person turned down for a job just because he/she has dreads is a form of racism.

 

[Enron]

The point is not communism. The point is that supreme nations, empires without competition, are (if you base yourself on historical evidence) destined to become severely rotten.

Perhaps it would be more correct to compare the US to the Roman Empire. The point is that democratic values and freedom are swiftly losing their ground

That's a pretty decent assessment of what is happening. Though the US is hardly the Roman Empire. There are a few facts that make the complete collapse of democracy in the US impossible.

1. We have a system of checks and balances. Rome didn't. Bush, though he may think differently, does not have absolute power in the US as shown by this weeks Supreme Court ruling and following pout-faced foot stamping session our President tried to pass off as a press conference.

2. The Supreme Court, as conservative as ever, has ruled against many "rights stealing" bills, for proof just google recent Supreme Court decisions.

 

[swag]

Good post, Greg. And well said: the way to kill freedom is by introducing restrictions slowly.

It's the boiling frog problem.

 

[Enron]

Personally I consider a person turned down for a job just because he/she has dreads is a form of racism.

That is discrimination. It doesn't count as racism unless the guy with dreads is a minority.

 

[Enron]

Good post, Greg. And well said: the way to kill freedom is by introducing restrictions slowly.

Freedom isn't getting killed. A corrupt administration is overstepping its bounds as some have before. Pretty soon people will come to their senses, idiots in Congress will no longer have jobs and the US will be a happy place as it was pre 2000.

 

[The Pado]

you were saying pado?

OK, special ed. That was already addressed by Paul and acknowledged by me a few pages back. Off your meds today?