News that makes you say WTF! (25 Viewers)

[ALC]

stick to powerball

is that what you do

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

No not at all

In a communist society, the surplus product simply belongs to the workers. You can maybe say that the surplus product gets distributed to the workers, but never redestributed

i use redistribution since it needs an active agent

 

[Ocelot]

i use redistribution since it needs an active agent

But to be redistributed it has to be distributed beforehand.

Government redistribution in today's welfare states is called redistribution because the money that gets redistributed has already been distributed beforehand in the form of profits, wages or interest to the people. Then the government comes in and redistributes this.

In a communist system, the surplus product wouldn't be distributed in the form of proft or interest in the first place, but straightforward to the proletariat as a whole.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

But to be redistributed it has to be distributed beforehand.

Government redistribution in today's welfare states is called redistribution because the money that gets redistributed has already been distributed beforehand in the form of profits, wages or interest to the people. Then the government comes in and redistributes this.

In a communist system, the surplus product wouldn't be distributed in the form of proft or interest in the first place, but straightforward to the proletariat as a whole.

income =/= wealth and once again its always redistribution

 

[swag]

It's appalling to read news like this. Worst thing is how many people that seem to not care. Tax havens

Let's not be ignorant of the past, however. People forget the human legacy of robber barons of the 19th century, living conditions for the common man in London, and pretty much a legacy of fiefdoms going back to the Dark Ages.

Which isn't to excuse it. Just that things haven't really changed all that much.

 

[Maddy]

Changing this curve is communism

 

[Martin]

Changing this curve is communism

you see making the black line go up is good natured ethical capitalism
making the red line go up would be an ethical catastrophy

 

[Ocelot]

income =/= wealth and once again its always redistribution

True for the bolded, but in a communist system there wouldn't be any redistribution of wealth either. Only in getting there.

And again, where is the RE in you definition of REdistribution?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

True for the bolded, but in a communist system there wouldn't be any redistribution of wealth either. Only in getting there.

And again, where is the RE in you definition of REdistribution?

The use of the RE is to stress the non arbitrary nature of the action, distribution can describe the organic process of wealth getting distributed without government inebriated, and thus can be used to confuse when also used to describe the non organic process

 

[Ocelot]

The use of the RE is to stress the non arbitrary nature of the action, distribution can describe the organic process of wealth getting distributed without government inebriated, and thus can be used to confuse when also used to describe the non organic process

I still disagree, because with redistribution, the money is first taken away from certain individuals, be it through taxes, social security contributions, even confiscation. In a communist system this isn't the case.

I know that this is essentially arguing semantics, and not even the prime reason why arguing for government redistributions isn't a (purely) communist idea, but still.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

spike lee is a stupid little man http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35348062

 

[swag]

#OscarsSoQuota

 

[Raz]

All based on meritocracy, obviously those 62 guys contribute more to the world than the poorest 3.6 billion.

Tbh they provide shit compared to the poorest half. Bonds, hedge funds all other financial shit, while they produce zero real product, while the poorest half...

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spike lee is a stupid little man http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35348062

I played NBA 2k16, which featured his story mode "Livina Da Dream". If I were him I would be the quietest person on the planet on this topic after such racist, stereotypical filth.

 

[Seven]

I still disagree, because with redistribution, the money is first taken away from certain individuals, be it through taxes, social security contributions, even confiscation. In a communist system this isn't the case.

I know that this is essentially arguing semantics, and not even the prime reason why arguing for government redistributions isn't a (purely) communist idea, but still.

It's not semantics. It is in fact a very big difference. And it makes you understand that in communism you can't really get wealthy (through appropriate means).

 

[Ocelot]

Tbh they provide shit compared to the poorest half. Bonds, hedge funds all other financial shit, while they produce zero real product, while the poorest half...

Nah man, if it were that way the invisible hand would've taken care of that long ago...

 

[GordoDeCentral]

how then do you explain the 5 richest people in the world being all self made

 

[Seven]

how then do you explain the 5 richest people in the world being all self made

To be among the 5 richest you need to be very intelligent. You just don't get there without earning it to some degree. But the vast majority of the extremely wealthy are nothing like those people.

 

[lgorTudor]

can't handle the #enrichment
He says he was with the Taliban and he is allowed to walk freely lol. SWEDEN YES

 

[Ocelot]

how then do you explain the 5 richest people in the world being all self made

I'd recommend you Piketty, he talks about exactly this issue for half of his book, with incredible amounts of empirical data.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I'd recommend you Piketty, he talks about exactly this issue for half of his book, with incredible amounts of empirical data.

What is there to explain? That singlehandedly destroys the argument that the market is only reserved for the rich