'Murica! (392 Viewers)

[AFL_ITALIA]

Only if you're Jewseppi Rossi.

Buonanima, things could've been so different

B81 would've grown to love him

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

A few thoughts that came to mind:
-valuing people and relationships over transactions
-work/life balance where employers don't expect you to be on 24x7
-functional healthcare, and not having an illness or health scare be the biggest national cause of bankruptcy
-family and childrearing isn't a side hustle
-not having to pack heat or wear a vest because you might be shot to death anywhere
-the space to intentionally be inefficient, allowing deeper thinking and creativity over eternally jogging the hamster wheel
-being able to do a lot without needing a car
-value placed on arts and culture
-a culture that doesn't encourage you to fill the empty hole of your being with distractions and consuming ever more for others' profit



There is a place to feel you belong or to feel that the aspects that have made you an untouchable was also fertile ground for producing great people and things in society. I get that.

But slaving the ego for self-confidence has limits. A lot of this rah-rah up-with-us stuff echoes like an extension of the automatic merit and specialness entitlement ideas that wrecked millennials and Gen Z in the 90s and 00s. Participation trophies and all. Taken too far, it also becomes scapegoating for failures which only infantilizes and disempowers them.

That said, as much as some can "blame the system", others shudder at the idea that any systems even exist at all. One of the marked differences I've noticed between so-called conservatives and liberals is that conservatives are often wedded to direct causality. The thought that multi-stakeholder and emergent phenomena, or forces you can't identify with a finger point, might impact our lives causes too many heads to explode.

If Biden wasn't laying the eggs himself, eggs would never be so expensive. The actions of individuals in Buffalo, NY, Kowloon, and Dar es Salaam cannot possibly have any impact on the climate we live in. My love of giant SUVs has nothing to do with the national rise of pedestrian deaths.

Which is how we get the future-job-auditioning absurdity of De Santis claiming to be education czar. Facts are that rarely is anyone taught that things like redlining existed for freeway construction, bank loans, and where people could buy property. There's value in those lessons to raise awareness to prevent future abuses. But there's also the risk that it becomes just another participation trophy to dance around and absolve individuals of any hint of responsibility.

Both sides of that argument are blindly stuck on too much stick, not enough carrot. Beating into submission is the only way forward rather than actually trying to win over hearts and minds.

 

[swag]

It's a classic and great distillation.

But I hate solutionism, so by that measure I should be a raging conservative. Though I do have some elements, even if you don't believe that.

But I also believe that environments can encourage better or worse collective natures out of us. This is why a convicted child molester can also rescue an old lady from a burning building.

Solzhenitsyn noted the line of good and evil that runs through the hearts of all men. I think it's a failure to presume that there aren't external factors that could nudge one towards one side versus the other. It's a cop out to do nothing, like letting homeless people fester in your neighborhood.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It's a classic and great distillation.

But I hate solutionism, so by that measure I should be a raging conservative. Though I do have some elements, even if you don't believe that.

But I also believe that environments can encourage better or worse collective natures out of us. This is why a convicted child molester can also rescue an old lady from a burning building.

Solzhenitsyn noted the line of good and evil that runs through the hearts of all men. I think it's a failure to presume that there aren't external factors that could nudge one towards one side versus the other. It's a cop out to do nothing, like letting homeless people fester in your neighborhood.

Well that view implicitly says that, you just trying to get the most out of every situation.

 

[Enron]

Have you seen the course

no, but that doesn’t particularly concern me. back in my day you could take AP courses on all kinds of subjects. or take none at all. looking at the list of all the classes available and there is any from biology to Italian language and culture. Spanish lit, European history, etc. so I guess it’s still the same. I fail to see the problem.

 

[Enron]

Imo stuff like this is not particularly helpful to be fully included as a member of society. If you need specific studies to focus on your population group, that's probably not a group you want to be a part of. It screams inferiority. How about you study "American history" and the history of black people in America is part of that? It makes much more sense and it demonstrates that they are all part of the history of the US.

But this does not seem to be the American way.

You have African Americans. You have Italian Americans. You have Latino Americans. The words themselves are bullshit. Have you heard an Italian American talk? There is nothing Italian about it. It's just an American.

You're all just fucking Americans. It's not hard.

lol did you know that what you describe in the first paragraph is basically how school works up until the last couple years of high school when you’re eligible to participate in AP or IB curriculum? and at that point you still take some general curriculum courses and a couple of the optional classes for a chance to earn university credit

 

[Knowah]

Memorize all the duchies and kingdoms of the Holy Roman Empire

EU4 makes that easy. Who doesn't love a little Hesse on Thuringia violence?

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

EU4 makes that easy. Who doesn't love a little Hesse on Thuringia violence?

Such a pain in the ass to peace out any of them later on in the game when you have to march a stack through the entirety of Germany to get to their level 9 forts

 

[Knowah]

Such a pain in the ass to peace out any of them later on in the game when you have to march a stack through the entirety of Germany to get to their level 9 forts

Vassal swarm goes brrr

 

[swag]

Well that view implicitly says that, you just trying to get the most out of every situation.

Explicitly it was about presuming humans be humans and there ain't nothing you can do change make lives better or worse to encourage more positive interactions and outcomes and discourage fewer negative ones. Institutions, and laws, can definitely be part of that. Which runs against his first point.

Why would "making the most out of every situation" not include institutions then, for example?

 

[Elvin]

Imo stuff like this is not particularly helpful to be fully included as a member of society. If you need specific studies to focus on your population group, that's probably not a group you want to be a part of. It screams inferiority. How about you study "American history" and the history of black people in America is part of that? It makes much more sense and it demonstrates that they are all part of the history of the US.

But this does not seem to be the American way.

You have African Americans. You have Italian Americans. You have Latino Americans. The words themselves are bullshit. Have you heard an Italian American talk? There is nothing Italian about it. It's just an American.

You're all just fucking Americans. It's not hard.

I know right. Somehow the Canadas and Australias dont have such problems. Or maybe we just dont hear about it.

 

[Enron]

I know right. Somehow the Canadas and Australias dont have such problems. Or maybe we just dont hear about it.

identity isn’t a big problem in more homogeneous nations.

 

[Post Ironic]

I know right. Somehow the Canadas and Australias dont have such problems. Or maybe we just dont hear about it.

Yeah, you definitely just don’t hear about it. Look up the “land back” movement nonsense in Canada, Indigenous land defenders lol, and truth and reconciliation. We hear terms that are legit nonsense like “cultural genocide” constantly in the news. And our prime minister, while being pretty centrist in terms of economic and resource policies, is pretty much a virtue signalling twat in regards to the woke stuff.

To be clear, some pretty shitty things were done to the First Nations here in Canada. But the absurdity from the woke left on these issues is kinda embarrassing. Jackasses calling for Canada/North America to be renamed Turtle Island lol, calling Canada a racist settler state and boycotting Canada day lol.

The people who hold these opinions are a small minority, same with in the US, but they are loud and obnoxious as fuck, and are gaining an outsized influence because of it, which is frustrating. The centrists really need to work on finding common ground and quashing the fringe lunatics.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Yeah, you definitely just don’t hear about it. Look up the “land back” movement nonsense in Canada, Indigenous land defenders lol, and truth and reconciliation. We hear terms that are legit nonsense like “cultural genocide” constantly in the news. And our prime minister, while being pretty centrist in terms of economic and resource policies, is pretty much a virtue signalling twat in regards to the woke stuff.

To be clear, some pretty shitty things were done to the First Nations here in Canada here. But the absurdity from the woke left on these issues is kinda embarrassing. Jackasses calling for Canada/North America to be renamed Turtle Island lol, calling Canada a racist settler state and boycotting Canada day lol.

The people who hold these opinions are a small minority, same with in the US, but they are loud and obnoxious as fuck, and are gaining an outsized influence because of it, which is frustrating. The centrists really need to work on finding common ground and quashing the fringe lunatics.

Oh we definitely have these issues too in Australia.

Two such issues right now are the Australia Day issue and The Voice to parliament.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/a-f...-reconciliation-for-good-20230125-p5cffu.html

https://amp.smh.com.au/national/is-...dar-past-its-use-by-date-20230123-p5ceu5.html


Not to mention past issues with the Stolen Generation, the current problems gripping Aboriginal folks in remote communities (the violence and crime in Alice Springs is particularly shocking) and also the integration of certain ethnic and religious groups into wider Aus society.

This country has plenty of issues.

 

[JuveJay]

You mean yelling things like "gabagool," "mootzadel," and "riggut" don't make you Italian? Don't tell the Staten Island/New Jersey crowd that.

What is riggut, ricotta?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Explicitly it was about presuming humans be humans and there ain't nothing you can do change make lives better or worse to encourage more positive interactions and outcomes and discourage fewer negative ones. Institutions, and laws, can definitely be part of that. Which runs against his first point.

Why would "making the most out of every situation" not include institutions then, for example?

Because the natural evolution of a govt institution is self-preservation and indolence imho

 

[lgorTudor]

EU4 makes that easy. Who doesn't love a little Hesse on Thuringia violence?

STOP

ENOUGH HESSE BLOOD HAS BEEN SPILT

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

What is riggut, ricotta?

Yep

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Yep

They are bastardised version of Neapolitan words and these morons think they’re 100% pure Italian.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

My parents were both born and raised in Italy. A lot of those full on “I’m a crazy patriotic Italian bro trust me!!!!” have ancestors who came over to the US when Italy had just been unified.