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Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
Crazy how they decide on the US instead of a developed country.
I'm going to try to be fair here. I think if you're a high achieving person, the ceiling (and potential earning power) is higher in the US, so i can understand the appeal there. For the rest of the 95 percenters, day by day i do not understand the appeal of the US over other (developed) countries. The politics, and ideas like the one in the last page is something even French far right would think its a step too far.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
I'm going to try to be fair here. I think if you're a high achieving person, the ceiling (and potential earning power) is higher in the US, so i can understand the appeal there. For the rest of the 95 percenters, day by day i do not understand the appeal of the US over other (developed) countries. The politics, and ideas like the one in the last page is something even French far right would think its a step too far.
I believe that's definitely true.

But even if you're a high achieving person, my idea about the US is that it can all come down rather quickly. If you face health issues and can't perform any more, you're screwed.

That being said, I can't say I've never been annoyed with taxes over here. What I have to give to the state every year is enough to support two families. So I'm not just working to provide for my own family, but I'm the provider for three. It can be very frustrating.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
I believe that's definitely true.

But even if you're a high achieving person, my idea about the US is that it can all come down rather quickly. If you face health issues and can't perform any more, you're screwed.

That being said, I can't say I've never been annoyed with taxes over here. What I have to give to the state every year is enough to support two families. So I'm not just working to provide for my own family, but I'm the provider for three. It can be very frustrating.
I can't say that either haha. Its harder to accept when like me, you haven't had the benefit of a world class education almost for free( i had to pay huge tuition fees as an international student), but at the same time, i can see how it creates a fully functioning society, where at least relatively, nobody is left behind.

and i say that as someone who worked for almost a decade without paying a cent of income taxes, so believe me it took some time to getting used to almost half my income going to the state haha.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
I can't say that either haha. Its harder to accept when like me, you haven't had the benefit of a world class education almost for free( i had to pay huge tuition fees as an international student), but at the same time, i can see how it creates a fully functioning society, where at least relatively, nobody is left behind.

and i say that as someone who worked for almost a decade without paying a cent of income taxes, so believe me it took some time to getting used to almost half my income going to the state haha.
Well, it definitely does and I mean my education was mostly free as well. So what I'm earning now was made possible by other people paying taxes. But sometimes I feel like, maybe, I should be allowed to keep 60 percent at least :D. It hovers around 50 now.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
41,113
Well, it definitely does and I mean my education was mostly free as well. So what I'm earning now was made possible by other people paying taxes. But sometimes I feel like, maybe, I should be allowed to keep 60 percent at least :D. It hovers around 50 now.
That being said, not every country's tax money is being spent as effectively here. I go to Germany every now and then for business, and it was shocking to me, how in some towns there infrastructure and public transportation is quite mediocre. In the Netherlands, you could go to any town, the trains and metros are always on time, public buildings, train stations etc are almost the same everywhere.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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I'm going to try to be fair here. I think if you're a high achieving person, the ceiling (and potential earning power) is higher in the US, so i can understand the appeal there. For the rest of the 95 percenters, day by day i do not understand the appeal of the US over other (developed) countries. The politics, and ideas like the one in the last page is something even French far right would think its a step too far.
It literally is an entire continent with a place for absolutely ANYONE.

I too would prefer Western Europe, but America has EVERYTHING and often the best of everything, that's the appeal.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
That being said, not every country's tax money is being spent as effectively here. I go to Germany every now and then for business, and it was shocking to me, how in some towns there infrastructure and public transportation is quite mediocre. In the Netherlands, you could go to any town, the trains and metros are always on time, public buildings, train stations etc are almost the same everywhere.
Public transport in the Netherlands is great, while it is really poor and pretty expensive in Belgium. On the other hand Dutch healthcare is a lot worse and still far more expensive than its Belgian counterpart.

But, you know, with so many taxes I think you are entitled to expect everything to be okay and that's clearly not the case.

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Apr 12, 2004
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First Bolded: In this instance, there is A LOT more than a few.

Second bolded: I never said "no immigrant"...

For my second sentence: Here's a thought. Want a fast track to become a US citizen and get access to all their benefits? Join the military, take the oath and poof. There's a solution for you.
A lot do that. You don't have to be a citizen to serve in the military.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I think most vets are just a bunch of country bumpkins who were to dumb to do anything else with their lives and became part of the war machine in order to afford the Chevy truck they always wanted. Not sure why they’re so revered
If you're a vet and you have your shit together, chances are you will be set for life. You'll get all the benefits and can reap the rewards of preferential hiring, especially in the defense and big corporate sectors. But at the end of the day, the government really doesn't care about you. You're just a number to them. Plus it's not like we've fought any truly meaningful wars the past several decades, outside of the battles you don't see in cyber warfare or spying. It's just mostly bullshit.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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I believe that's definitely true.

But even if you're a high achieving person, my idea about the US is that it can all come down rather quickly. If you face health issues and can't perform any more, you're screwed.

That being said, I can't say I've never been annoyed with taxes over here. What I have to give to the state every year is enough to support two families. So I'm not just working to provide for my own family, but I'm the provider for three. It can be very frustrating.
The US can be a bit of life's roulette wheel.

Always bet on black.

It literally is an entire continent with a place for absolutely ANYONE.

I too would prefer Western Europe, but America has EVERYTHING and often the best of everything, that's the appeal.
America does have everything ... and armies of people who make it their business to deliver it to your door before you've even thought of it.

And there is definitely a lot of the best of everything. But there's also a lot of deep ignorance of what they might be missing that other cultures have in spades.
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
36,923
The US can be a bit of life's roulette wheel.

Always bet on black.



America does have everything ... and armies of people who make it their business to deliver it to your door before you've even thought of it.

And there is definitely a lot of the best of everything. But there's also a lot of deep ignorance of what they might be missing that other cultures have in spades.
Like what for example?
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
75,658
Am I the only one that if police ask me for ID would still show it? I mean if I didn't do anything wrong I'd have no problem showing my ID.
What are you afraid of?eop that they will hunt you to your home? sell your datas to callcenters? what?
Most people do show it but you’re not required to have one if you’re just hanging out in public
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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I believe that's definitely true.

But even if you're a high achieving person, my idea about the US is that it can all come down rather quickly. If you face health issues and can't perform any more, you're screwed.

That being said, I can't say I've never been annoyed with taxes over here. What I have to give to the state every year is enough to support two families. So I'm not just working to provide for my own family, but I'm the provider for three. It can be very frustrating.
Families are always rising and falling in America.
 

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