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Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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I'm sure you can't be too happy with this devolution from opposition about what matters to opposition about what people might support what matters.

What doesn't matter anymore. It's all about who now.


"I was a dumbass therefore everyone else is"

But tbh i am used to being dismissed as simply a contrarian or getting by on heuristics. But as i always say, i always leave room for being wrong, do you leave room for me being right?
 

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Apr 12, 2004
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But tbh i am used to being dismissed as simply a contrarian or getting by on heuristics. But as i always say, i always leave room for being wrong, do you leave room for me being right?
Most of the time I have a conversation with you , I can't tell what you're actually trying to say. You are contrarian, I am, too, but I at least tell you what I think. All too often you just tell others they are idiots or laugh at them, but provide little evidence or data to even support any other conclusion. It's like you intentionally don't have any beliefs only so you can bad-rap people for having theirs.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Most of the time I have a conversation with you , I can't tell what you're actually trying to say. You are contrarian, I am, too, but I at least tell you what I think. All too often you just tell others they are idiots or laugh at them, but provide little evidence or data to even support any other conclusion. It's like you intentionally don't have any beliefs only so you can bad-rap people for having theirs.
Got it: you>me, hope that made your day
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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People don't think. What sounds good and defensible as xenophobia disguised as patriotism won't hold up when it goes from broad to specific.
Call me a xenophobe, doesn't change my mind nor does it bother me. Give that land to a vet, someone that actually did/does something for the country.

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It takes more than a decade for a Chinese national who came to US legally on H1-B visa to obtain permanent residency and another 5-6 years to get naturalized. Why can’t they own property in the meantime? More importantly what stops a supposed spy to continue spying after getting naturalized? What magic security wand would stop him then and not before?
Devil is always in the details, and policies like what Abbott is proposing is just xenophobic with the intention of appealing to the base.
There is the X word again. No one cares about being called xenophobic anymore. I'm not a Texan and I'm not Abbotts base. I am not a fan of allowing Chinese nationals to buy large swathes of land. That country has webbed in so many people willing to do whatever for the CCP asks that at this point it should be a cold turkey stop on what they can and can't do.... buying large amounts of land is one thing.
 

Ronn

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Call me a xenophobe, doesn't change my mind nor does it bother me. Give that land to a vet, someone that actually did/does something for the country.

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There is the X word again. No one cares about being called xenophobic anymore. I'm not a Texan and I'm not Abbotts base. I am not a fan of allowing Chinese nationals to buy large swathes of land. That country has webbed in so many people willing to do whatever for the CCP asks that at this point it should be a cold turkey stop on what they can and can't do.... buying large amounts of land is one thing.
I don’t know why I even bother. I don’t give a shit what you’re for or against. I was just explaining how this policy would impact a large number of legal immigrants who most probably hate CCP more than you do. A blanket ban, like what Abbott is proposing, is bullshit. Plain and simple.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Not sure you meant to equate Texas with a 3rd world dump, but there we are. :baus:

There's a clear difference between an immigrant who seeks greater opportunity for his family overseas vs. ones who are rich plants trying to subvert national sovereignty. This pretty much makes the two equivalent

That's just more stupid ideas fueled by what sells on a T-shirt during a re-election campaign. A reflection of how performative gestures sell in American politics now. It's just woke vs anti-woke stupidity now.
Or the academics funneling IP over ...or the "tourists" being told to get close access to X company to photograph a new airplane fuselage...can keep going.
 

ALC

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Call me a xenophobe, doesn't change my mind nor does it bother me. Give that land to a vet, someone that actually did/does something for the country.

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There is the X word again. No one cares about being called xenophobic anymore. I'm not a Texan and I'm not Abbotts base. I am not a fan of allowing Chinese nationals to buy large swathes of land. That country has webbed in so many people willing to do whatever for the CCP asks that at this point it should be a cold turkey stop on what they can and can't do.... buying large amounts of land is one thing.
I think most vets are just a bunch of country bumpkins who were to dumb to do anything else with their lives and became part of the war machine in order to afford the Chevy truck they always wanted. Not sure why they’re so revered
 
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I think most vets are just a bunch of country bumpkins who were to dumb to do anything else with their lives and became part of the war machine in order to afford the Chevy truck they always wanted. Not sure why they’re so revered
Most vets I know, and I know a fair amount, do it for three reasons, typically.

1: A calling to serve, true patriotism, loves the country, etc.
2: Grew up super poor and it was the only way out, "job security," which is why West Virginians have the highest military participation rates per capita.
3: Education. Use the benefits to pay for school (most I know did it for this reason).

You also have to remember, only 1% of the population is in, or used to be in, the military. They tend to get a lot of notoriety, but there really aren't a lot of dudes out there who served.

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Crazy how they decide on the US instead of a developed country.
It's big, bro. Easy to get lost.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Call a taxidermist to stuff and mount the dog's owner?

Call me a xenophobe, doesn't change my mind nor does it bother me. Give that land to a vet, someone that actually did/does something for the country.
As for the first sentence, xenophobic is framing the mindset -- not so much intended as a surrogate n-word. It represents that the motivations for supporting that unilaterally are rooted in othering an entire nation or race of people on the basis of a potentially bad few.

Every nation or race of people has at least a bad few. So you're basically saying let's throw the baby out with the bathwater and no immigrant willing to change cultures and try to thrive could ever offer anything to my country. Well, only if they're not from these four arbitrary countries as flavors of the month.

American demographics are in major decline now. People are getting older, working less, need more benefits, will tax the medical and entitlement systems. Citizens aren't having kids. And there aren't enough younger people willing to fill the gaps to do the work to support all these old people and pay their wage taxes to support it all.

And there's nothing about a Chinese passport that makes it toxic whereas a Vietnamese passport is perfectly acceptable. That makes sh*t all sense unless you've been programmed by performative alliances to be triggered by strawberry ice cream and not spumoni.

Call it the Eeny-Meeny-Miny-Moe Immigration Act.

As for the second sentence, I guess everyone should leave save for the Native Americans.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Call a taxidermist to stuff and mount the dog's owner?



As for the first sentence, xenophobic is framing the mindset -- not so much intended as a surrogate n-word. It represents that the motivations for supporting that unilaterally are rooted in othering an entire nation or race of people on the basis of a potentially bad few.

Every nation or race of people has at least a bad few. So you're basically saying let's throw the baby out with the bathwater and no immigrant willing to change cultures and try to thrive could ever offer anything to my country. Well, only if they're not from these four arbitrary countries as flavors of the month.

American demographics are in major decline now. People are getting older, working less, need more benefits, will tax the medical and entitlement systems. Citizens aren't having kids. And there aren't enough younger people willing to fill the gaps to do the work to support all these old people and pay their wage taxes to support it all.

And there's nothing about a Chinese passport that makes it toxic whereas a Vietnamese passport is perfectly acceptable. That makes sh*t all sense unless you've been programmed by performative alliances to be triggered by strawberry ice cream and not spumoni.

Call it the Eeny-Meeny-Miny-Moe Immigration Act.

As for the second sentence, I guess everyone should leave save for the Native Americans.
First Bolded: In this instance, there is A LOT more than a few.

Second bolded: I never said "no immigrant"...

For my second sentence: Here's a thought. Want a fast track to become a US citizen and get access to all their benefits? Join the military, take the oath and poof. There's a solution for you.

""What are the naturalization requirements for noncitizen service members? Generally, non-citizen service members wishing to naturalize must demonstrate 1) good moral character; 2) knowledge of the English language; 3) knowledge of the U.S. government and history; and 4) attachment to the U.S. and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution.""

Plenty of people in boot camp joined and said their oath...we all stood there at attention while the CO did it. Best day of their lives, they were proud to do it. Great experience to see first hand.

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On the topic, interesting article in the WSJ today about WeChat. Read up on it.

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I think most vets are just a bunch of country bumpkins who were to dumb to do anything else with their lives and became part of the war machine in order to afford the Chevy truck they always wanted. Not sure why they’re so revered
Sad you'll never know. You want to see REAL diversity, join the military and you'll see people from everywhere.

Can't tell you how many people in my enlisted class came from poverty, left abusive homes, couldn't afford food...nothing to do with intelligence though I'd see how you might draw that conclusion. Sure, there are plenty that fit your profile but it doesn't scratch the surface.

Plenty country bumpkins I know joined Army/Marines - got out after 6 or so...got their degree, joined Secret Service and now secure your lil ol' JB/DJT/BO/GHW.

And yes, plenty get out, get their big pickups and ride off into the sunset and are absolutely fine living in the middle of nowhere WV/TN/GA...etc.

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FYI - younger enlisted tend to splurge on muscle cars (i.e. Camaro, Challengers, etc). The ones with trucks usually had them before they joined and were smart enough to keep them for when they get out.
 
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