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campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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It's really tiring to hear this "misogynistic" argument that because the man won, half the country now hates women. They're basically saying that Hillary should have been elected because she has a vagina and she should get a free pass for being a woman. There are people that are saying that Trump's sexual comments are worse than all of Clinton's scandals. Utter stupidity :sergio: it's really quite regressive that they believe the Presidency should be decided on genitals instead of a candidate by candidate basis
Okay dude, first I have to admit I was wrong in most of our exchanges (probably all). Second, you're right about Clinton. She is a terrible candidate. The two best reasons (and probably only) her campaign gave for voting for her: 1. Trump is terrible 2. She is a woman.
That is a losing strategy, I was mad to think it would work, because the polls said that it was working,but the polls didn't account for voter enthusiasm and turnout. She ended up getting 6 million fewer votes than Obama. Trump was a poor candidate too, (got almost a million and half fewer votes than Romney) but hit a home run on a couple of issues: trade deals, decline of manufacturing and the ironclad grip the establishment has on the country. That's what won him Pennsylvania,Michigan,Wisconsin,probably NC and Florida.

If the Democrats keep harping on Trump being fascist and what not, they will lose the midterms in 2 years and possibly the presidency in 2020. They must restructure their leadership and attack Trump on the issues.

About Trump himself, I think he will fail, but hope he doesn't. Like I said before, it's foolish to cut off your nose to spite the face.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Okay dude, first I have to admit I was wrong in most of our exchanges (probably all). Second, you're right about Clinton. She is a terrible candidate. The two best reasons (and probably only) her campaign gave for voting for her: 1. Trump is terrible 2. She is a woman.
That is a losing strategy, I was mad to think it would work, because the polls said that it was working,but the polls didn't account for voter enthusiasm and turnout. She ended up getting 6 million fewer votes than Obama. Trump was a poor candidate too, (got almost a million and half fewer votes than Romney) but hit a home run on a couple of issues: trade deals, decline of manufacturing and the ironclad grip the establishment has on the country. That's what won him Pennsylvania,Michigan,Wisconsin,probably NC and Florida.

If the Democrats keep harping on Trump being fascist and what not, they will lose the midterms in 2 years and possibly the presidency in 2020. They must restructure their leadership and attack Trump on the issues.

About Trump himself, I think he will fail, but hope he doesn't. Like I said before, it's foolish to cut off your nose to spite the face.

I cannot stand Trump. I will never like this man.

But one has to admit that he does highlight some of the things that are very wrong in American (Western?) society and that need changing. For that, it might still be a good thing Americans elected him.

The problems with Trump remain however. He said he'd lock up Clinton. He'd build a wall. He'd ban muslims.. I know he's not actually going to do these things. But saying them is a problem in itself too.
 

Maddy

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Jul 10, 2009
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I cannot stand Trump. I will never like this man.

But one has to admit that he does highlight some of the things that are very wrong in American (Western?) society and that need changing. For that, it might still be a good thing Americans elected him.
The problem with Trump is that he thinks he can finds answer for todays and tomorrows problems in the past. He'll be in for a shock with his regressive politics.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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We did it yall

Let's celebrate

:lol:

Curious how Trump's gonna get the GOP aboard his ideas. Many of them are Keynesian/social democratic.

And he wants revive the coal industry :sergio:

Worst thing about him getting elected is the amount of post-factual climate change denial in the cabinet. Telling that he won on returning to the 20th century with a post-factual agenda. Golden age syndrom among many american voters.

And the tradewar he wants to start with China and Mexico, multinational corporations will most likely bypass this with ease.

This will be the first time since WW2 the US becomes regressive. Odd, seeing they've always been seen as one of the most progressive countries in the world and a role model to follow.
It is about pretending the calendar can roll back 40 years. That genie ain't going back in the bottle. How soon before anybody notices?

And the climate change thing is one of the more concerning to me... it's going to be a lost 4 years on any possible progress.

But we could be talking rather apocalyptic scenarios too. Like this read:

History tells us what may happen next with Brexit & Trump
https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/his...ext-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.jfqry36tp

Maybe a little alarmist, but not at all implausible.
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
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Anyone showing even the slightest support to that fucker do me a favor and block me or I will. I want nothing to do with you. And ZoSo, go fuck yourself, you stupid fucking kid.
Tough times ahead, however it's only a matter of time before these bigots get disillusioned by their appointed leader and cower away back into their shells.

:lol::lol:
 

donpiero

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