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[Post Ironic]

The easiest solution which democrats categorically refuse is education vouchers given to parents, let them weed out the incompetent.

Agree 100% with this. And amusingly enough this is a case where most of the evidence and studies supports voucher systems as improving educational quality and outcomes, especially in public schools, contrary to democrat handwringing. Even funnier is that the democrat claim of this leading to racial segregation has been directly refuted by most analyses of this and in most cases it has been shown to do the exact opposite. But woke gonna woke

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Or it is, the only group bringing stats down are the 13% which are always encouraged by democrats to fail. Just look at nigerian Americans, most educationally successful group, where else is that the case?

That group doesn’t help, but even on the whole, including amongst caucasians, upward social mobility is falling, and wealth disparity gap is getting worse and worse by the year.

In general though I don’t think opportunity for advancement is much different in any first world country. It’s just where that advancement comes in to play. US has probably better opportunities to move between middle/upper middle class/wealthy. Other countries have better opportunities to move from lower class into middle class and currently have a much stronger middle class than US through all demographics. The fault for this certainly lies with democrats on some points but also republicans on others. Or perhaps more so on their partisan divide and complete refusal to work together and compromise on anything. It would be nice if we could have some good old-fashioned centrist politicians bringing common sense back into play with regards to policies on how to work on this. There’s definitely a middle ground between outright welfare state and the American system thag can provide a lot of the benefits of both imo.

 

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[ALC]

It’s fairly easy in the US to make a shitload of money and have a good life if you work hard and smart. I don’t mean in a minimum wage job but service industry here pays amazingly well.

the problem is if you have children at any point or have a serious health issue. Then you’re out of luck.

 

[swag]

The world has changed but man hasn't, the adage goes we are 9 meals away from total chaos. As i said US and the idea behind it is not for everyone and i rather worship a document drafted by experience, accumulation of western thought, and liberty than the ramblings of a tenured jagoff whose limp existence gets off on shitting on his historic betters.

Humanity definitely hasn't changed. And you're right about total chaos. Will be interesting what they predict regarding global food supplies this year.

But I'm less confident on making an active citizenship decision purely based on paperwork. South Africa's constitution is only 25 years old and, IMO, seems to be built on an additional 250 years of social lessons and the legacy of more recent abuses than the U.S. constitution. On paper, it arguably looks more sound to me for a modern society. But in practice, South Africa is a great place to visit but living there??

The easiest solution which democrats categorically refuse is education vouchers given to parents, let them weed out the incompetent.

As long as it includes the regional transportation infrastructure to get people to the schools they should choose... which gets us back to 1960s busing again. Crap neighborhoods generally have crap schools that are locally underfunded, and they beget crappier outcomes. Perhaps some of that could be addressed if schools would be funded through state taxes more than local property taxes.

 

[Elvin]

Is this satire? Because the article looks very real.

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That's not entirely true. Most EU citizens just feel like they can go everywhere. Live in the USA for a few years if they want to and then come back. We have people who move to Asia or Africa too. It's just rich people spending money or maybe earning even more money abroad. I don't think it says much about American society.

Think about it, do you really know that many Europeans who go to the US in search of a better life? Poor people who think they may have a better shot of making it big in the USA? Because I don't.

Almist every retired footballer dreams about settling down in the US lol

 

[Ronn]

Almist every retired footballer dreams about settling down in the US lol

that’s your sample? Retired multimillionaire footballers?

 

[Elvin]

that’s your sample? Retired multimillionaire footballers?

So why are they chosing the US when they can live literally anywhere?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

That group doesn’t help, but even on the whole, including amongst caucasians, upward social mobility is falling, and wealth disparity gap is getting worse and worse by the year.

In general though I don’t think opportunity for advancement is much different in any first world country. It’s just where that advancement comes in to play. US has probably better opportunities to move between middle/upper middle class/wealthy. Other countries have better opportunities to move from lower class into middle class and currently have a much stronger middle class than US through all demographics. The fault for this certainly lies with democrats on some points but also republicans on others. Or perhaps more so on their partisan divide and complete refusal to work together and compromise on anything. It would be nice if we could have some good old-fashioned centrist politicians bringing common sense back into play with regards to policies on how to work on this. There’s definitely a middle ground between outright welfare state and the American system thag can provide a lot of the benefits of both imo.

Agree on the first part, but i still believe with a clean slate you get much better roi in the states than anywhere else, you also get penalized more for wrong choices.

Humanity definitely hasn't changed. And you're right about total chaos. Will be interesting what they predict regarding global food supplies this year.

But I'm less confident on making an active citizenship decision purely based on paperwork. South Africa's constitution is only 25 years old and, IMO, seems to be built on an additional 250 years of social lessons and the legacy of more recent abuses than the U.S. constitution. On paper, it arguably looks more sound to me for a modern society. But in practice, South Africa is a great place to visit but living there??


As long as it includes the regional transportation infrastructure to get people to the schools they should choose... which gets us back to 1960s busing again. Crap neighborhoods generally have crap schools that are locally underfunded, and they beget crappier outcomes. Perhaps some of that could be addressed if schools would be funded through state taxes more than local property taxes.

The paperwork is based the universal concept of freedom which does come with its own level of chaos, but personally i rather deal with the chaos of my choices than those of someone else.

As for schools, vouvhers are not the panacea buta start, and a great start at that.

 

[Cerval]

So why are they chosing the US when they can live literally anywhere?

Who do you have in mind, Beckham and ADP? Are there any other retired footballers?

 

[Ronn]

So why are they chosing the US when they can live literally anywhere?

Probably because they have shitload of money and they can extend their playing time in the US. Every case is different. But the point is it’s very silly to extend this very limited and very privileged group to all EU residents. I can’t believe you even think of it as an example.

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I recently watched citizen Kane, crazy how similar things were even back then

PBS’ American Experience has a documentary on William Randolph Hearst, who was the inspiration for Charles Foster Kane. It’s pretty good.

 

[alaska]

And amusingly enough this is a case where most of the evidence and studies supports voucher systems as improving educational quality and outcomes, especially in public schools, contrary to democrat handwringing.

Teachers unions are incredibly politically powerful entities though, and they are incentivised to resist any education reform.

 

[campionesidd]

So why are they chosing the US when they can live literally anywhere?

Because like others and I have said, it’s a great place to be if you’re loaded.

 

[Elvin]

The US is the top of every single industry except football lol

If you are the best at smth chances are you live in America. This says a lot.

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Because like others and I have said, it’s a great place to be if you’re loaded.

And to GET loaded.

 

[campionesidd]

The US is the top of every single industry except football lol

If you are the best at smth chances are you live in America. This says a lot.

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And to GET loaded.

Half the country has a net worth of zero dollars, and the vast majority of folks can’t afford housing, college or healthcare. But keep believing that

 

[pavelnel]

The US is the top of every single industry except football lol

If you are the best at smth chances are you live in America. This says a lot.

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And to GET loaded.

This is a blatantly stupid statements. No country can be at the top of every industry. USA is at the top of some industries, among the best in many and a laggard in the rest.
Examples: chip development - the best, chip production not so much; automotive parts - Europe is far ahead; Civil aircraft and helicopters - second best after Europe; Military aircraft, drones and helicopters - at the top; Consumer electronics production - far behind China; Software - top; Automobiles -behind China and EU in numbers and value, in quality definitely behind EU, Japan and even South Korea; motorcycles - far behind EU and Japan; luxury goods - nowhere near EU; quality food - not even in top 10; junk food - top...
I can continue but this is enough...For now.

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[Ronn]

The US is the top of every single industry except football lol

If you are the best at smth chances are you live in America. This says a lot.

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And to GET loaded.

Btw there’s another reason why a lot of young people with college education do well in the US: no student loan. Many countries have free or cheap college education programs, while attending college costs ~50k a year and student loans have interest rates of ~4%.
Parents do weird things here too make sure their kids can go to college and remain debt free. A guy I know bought 4 years worth of credit hours in Michigan State for his kids shortly after birth, which effectively became a forced pick for the kids. He would’ve lost all that money had they choose to go to a different school.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

It’s fairly easy in the US to make a shitload of money and have a good life if you work hard and smart. I don’t mean in a minimum wage job but service industry here pays amazingly well.

the problem is if you have children at any point or have a serious health issue. Then you’re out of luck.

Eh. You could work hard your whole life and only just get by. You could be the hardest worker, pulling 12 hour shifts everyday but unless some hiring manager decides to take a chance on you for example, then you get nowhere.

 

[Ronn]

This is a blatantly stupid statements. No country can be at the top of every industry. USA is at the top of some industries, among the best in many and a laggard in the rest.
Examples: chip development - the best, chip production not so much; automotive parts - Europe is far ahead; Civil aircraft and helicopters - second best after Europe; Military aircraft, drones and helicopters - at the top; Consumer electronics production - far behind China; Software - top; Automobiles -behind China and EU in numbers and value, in quality definitely behind EU, Japan and even South Korea; motorcycles - far behind EU and Japan; luxury goods - nowhere near EU; quality food - not even in top 10; junk food - top...
I can continue but this is enough...For now.

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Who gives a shit about consumer electronics production? We’re also lagging in sweatshop industry.

 

[Fab Fragment]

Health care is a complete joke here in the US. We have the best nurses, physicians, researchers, and hospitals but what's the use if they are not accessible to the masses.
Insurance, ambulance chasers, and greedy middlemen, who have no medical background, have ruined everything. Whatever was left was ruined by the Democrats and Republicans squabbling with each other just to score a petty point.

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We have money to send overseas but not for our dilapidated infrastructure and healthcare.

 

[ALC]

Eh. You could work hard your whole life and only just get by. You could be the hardest worker, pulling 12 hour shifts everyday but unless some hiring manager decides to take a chance on you for example, then you get nowhere.

hard and smart. I know so many immigrants who came here in their mid to late 20s, worked service jobs and have saved 6 figures. Tbf that’s also in NYC but you gotta make the most of your opportunities. Can’t say that for any other country as far as I know

 

[alaska]

Who gives a shit about consumer electronics production? We’re also lagging in sweatshop industry.

This. I want to be buying the stereo, not making it.