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Sep 4, 2006
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Between the social divisions and the proliferation of weaponry, I see America's future looking a lot more like South Africa. (I guess that suits Elon Musk?)

Half the us GNP is going to be spent on security. There will be heavily armed businesses and homes and neighborhoods and schools of the "haves". With them hiring security equipment and security detail bodies of the "have nots", to fend off the violence among their hired security guards' neighbors. With the added fun of the usual Oscar Pistorius blowing away his girlfriend among the haves.
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GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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If people want europe they can go to europe, pilgrims didn't leave everything behind, brave high seas, and the unknown to be in a place as oppressive as the one they left. Freedom and its responsabilities(cost) are not for everyone. If as an american you don't believe in the exceptionalism of this nation then you are in the wrong place.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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If people want europe they can go to europe, pilgrims didn't leave everything behind, brave high seas, and the unknown to be in a place as oppressive as the one they left. Freedom and its responsabilities(cost) are not for everyone. If as an american you don't believe in the exceptionalism of this nation then you are in the wrong place.
God damn I love you.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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If people want europe they can go to europe, pilgrims didn't leave everything behind, brave high seas, and the unknown to be in a place as oppressive as the one they left. Freedom and its responsabilities(cost) are not for everyone. If as an american you don't believe in the exceptionalism of this nation then you are in the wrong place.
Explain the oppressive part
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
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The school shooting is one thing, but the pussy cops standing by in the hallways had me baffled and confused! Apparently they were chilling for over an hour waiting :sergio:
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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If people want europe they can go to europe, pilgrims didn't leave everything behind, brave high seas, and the unknown to be in a place as oppressive as the one they left. Freedom and its responsabilities(cost) are not for everyone. If as an american you don't believe in the exceptionalism of this nation then you are in the wrong place.
But the world has changed. And the America people emigrated to a century ago no longer exists. Even US immigration itself has flipped from a "bring a boat to Ellis Island" to "Sorry, no papers no party, rapist darkie". Meanwhile, a place like Portugal had one of the highest rates of emigration in Europe next to Ireland. The government literally told young people of any ambition to leave the country, get jobs elsewhere, and send remittance money home because there was nothing here for them. But it's not 1973 anymore. There's a reverse brain drain going on now... lots of people who were in London and Berlin, etc., who have come back.

Similarly, if you were ambitious and smart in Delhi, it once would be insane not to go to the U.S. Now you can stay in- country, found a unicorn startup, hire fellow nationals, and berate Muslims without ever needing a US visa.

In the US there's still tons of opportunity, ridiculous amounts of money, and the liberty to pretty much do whatever you want, your neighbor be damned. But the actual planet where that used to be an attraction has changed too. Globalization, international travel, international finance, and now participatory citizenship have arisen as modern phenomenon where the world is characterized less by unlimited factory mass production at scale and more of a world navigating systemic limits. And as a result, we've seen the rise of nomad capitalism, sovereign man stuff, and elective citizenship where privileged citizens choose their countries.

Because your nations really don't feel they owe you squat anymore, so you are better off working international arbitrage of finances, rights, and freedoms to your benefit. And we all may have to, given the coming disruptions from climate, inequality, war, civil unrest, famine, plague, etc. resulting from these systemic planetary constraints.

You can worship the late 18th century US constitution, but being an originalist actually puts you at risk of being out of date from intentional blindness over the past few centuries and the modern dynamics now globally at play. I've lost count of how many former empires have counted on their exceptionalism to pull them through. The only exceptionalism now is to create your own.
 

icemaη

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But the world has changed. And the America people emigrated to a century ago no longer exists. Even US immigration itself has flipped from a "bring a boat to Ellis Island" to "Sorry, no papers no party, rapist darkie". Meanwhile, a place like Portugal had one of the highest rates of emigration in Europe next to Ireland. The government literally told young people of any ambition to leave the country, get jobs elsewhere, and send remittance money home because there was nothing here for them. But it's not 1973 anymore. There's a reverse brain drain going on now... lots of people who were in London and Berlin, etc., who have come back.

Similarly, if you were ambitious and smart in Delhi, it once would be insane not to go to the U.S. Now you can stay in- country, found a unicorn startup, hire fellow nationals, and berate Muslims without ever needing a US visa.

In the US there's still tons of opportunity, ridiculous amounts of money, and the liberty to pretty much do whatever you want, your neighbor be damned. But the actual planet where that used to be an attraction has changed too. Globalization, international travel, international finance, and now participatory citizenship have arisen as modern phenomenon where the world is characterized less by unlimited factory mass production at scale and more of a world navigating systemic limits. And as a result, we've seen the rise of nomad capitalism, sovereign man stuff, and elective citizenship where privileged citizens choose their countries.

Because your nations really don't feel they owe you squat anymore, so you are better off working international arbitrage of finances, rights, and freedoms to your benefit. And we all may have to, given the coming disruptions from climate, inequality, war, civil unrest, famine, plague, etc. resulting from these systemic planetary constraints.

You can worship the late 18th century US constitution, but being an originalist actually puts you at risk of being out of date from intentional blindness over the past few centuries and the modern dynamics now globally at play. I've lost count of how many former empires have counted on their exceptionalism to pull them through. The only exceptionalism now is to create your own.
:lol2: :cry:
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
15,382
If people want europe they can go to europe, pilgrims didn't leave everything behind, brave high seas, and the unknown to be in a place as oppressive as the one they left. Freedom and its responsabilities(cost) are not for everyone. If as an american you don't believe in the exceptionalism of this nation then you are in the wrong place.
The first amendment is fantastic, few countries have such a broad freedom to express their opinions.
That said, unless you have a good income, the US is a shitty place to live, compared to most Western countries.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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The school shooting is one thing, but the pussy cops standing by in the hallways had me baffled and confused! Apparently they were chilling for over an hour waiting :sergio:
Would you take a job teaching in the US? :klin:

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But the world has changed. And the America people emigrated to a century ago no longer exists. Even US immigration itself has flipped from a "bring a boat to Ellis Island" to "Sorry, no papers no party, rapist darkie". Meanwhile, a place like Portugal had one of the highest rates of emigration in Europe next to Ireland. The government literally told young people of any ambition to leave the country, get jobs elsewhere, and send remittance money home because there was nothing here for them. But it's not 1973 anymore. There's a reverse brain drain going on now... lots of people who were in London and Berlin, etc., who have come back.

Similarly, if you were ambitious and smart in Delhi, it once would be insane not to go to the U.S. Now you can stay in- country, found a unicorn startup, hire fellow nationals, and berate Muslims without ever needing a US visa.

In the US there's still tons of opportunity, ridiculous amounts of money, and the liberty to pretty much do whatever you want, your neighbor be damned. But the actual planet where that used to be an attraction has changed too. Globalization, international travel, international finance, and now participatory citizenship have arisen as modern phenomenon where the world is characterized less by unlimited factory mass production at scale and more of a world navigating systemic limits. And as a result, we've seen the rise of nomad capitalism, sovereign man stuff, and elective citizenship where privileged citizens choose their countries.

Because your nations really don't feel they owe you squat anymore, so you are better off working international arbitrage of finances, rights, and freedoms to your benefit. And we all may have to, given the coming disruptions from climate, inequality, war, civil unrest, famine, plague, etc. resulting from these systemic planetary constraints.

You can worship the late 18th century US constitution, but being an originalist actually puts you at risk of being out of date from intentional blindness over the past few centuries and the modern dynamics now globally at play. I've lost count of how many former empires have counted on their exceptionalism to pull them through. The only exceptionalism now is to create your own.
The average European wouldn't take a job in the US and leave behind their +25 day annual leave.

Murica baby. Great if you're rich/entrepreneur but shit if you're a common folk.

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Also I find it funny that Gordo thinks that the US is the only free country in the world. Yeah right, the IRS chases you down even if you reside in a different country.
 
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swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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The average European wouldn't take a job in the US and leave behind their +25 day annual leave.

Murica baby. Great if you're rich/entrepreneur but shit if you're a common folk.
There's this thing here that most Americans can't even begin to comprehend ... It is as incomprehensible as if an alien spaceship just landed in their yard and told them they were all really just actors in a dream in Patrick Duffy's head.

A working bloke here who fixes sinks for a living will treat their Sunday at the beach with family as sacrosanct. Your toilet backs up on a Sunday, it sucks. So the American will want to pay the guy 3x rate to make an urgent emergency house call. He'll say no.

Then the American will offer 5x ... 10x.... The plumber will still say no... it's family beach day.

The American's head simply explodes. :bomba:
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
29,685
There's this thing here that most Americans can't even begin to comprehend ... It is as incomprehensible as if an alien spaceship just landed in their yard and told them they were all really just actors in a dream in Patrick Duffy's head.

A working bloke here who fixes sinks for a living will treat their Sunday at the beach with family as sacrosanct. Your toilet backs up on a Sunday, it sucks. So the American will want to pay the guy 3x rate to make an urgent emergency house call. He'll say no.

Then the American will offer 5x ... 10x.... The plumber will still say no... it's family beach day.

The American's head simply explodes. :bomba:
I get what you're saying, but this isn't really a positive imo
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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But the world has changed. And the America people emigrated to a century ago no longer exists. Even US immigration itself has flipped from a "bring a boat to Ellis Island" to "Sorry, no papers no party, rapist darkie". Meanwhile, a place like Portugal had one of the highest rates of emigration in Europe next to Ireland. The government literally told young people of any ambition to leave the country, get jobs elsewhere, and send remittance money home because there was nothing here for them. But it's not 1973 anymore. There's a reverse brain drain going on now... lots of people who were in London and Berlin, etc., who have come back.

Similarly, if you were ambitious and smart in Delhi, it once would be insane not to go to the U.S. Now you can stay in- country, found a unicorn startup, hire fellow nationals, and berate Muslims without ever needing a US visa.

In the US there's still tons of opportunity, ridiculous amounts of money, and the liberty to pretty much do whatever you want, your neighbor be damned. But the actual planet where that used to be an attraction has changed too. Globalization, international travel, international finance, and now participatory citizenship have arisen as modern phenomenon where the world is characterized less by unlimited factory mass production at scale and more of a world navigating systemic limits. And as a result, we've seen the rise of nomad capitalism, sovereign man stuff, and elective citizenship where privileged citizens choose their countries.

Because your nations really don't feel they owe you squat anymore, so you are better off working international arbitrage of finances, rights, and freedoms to your benefit. And we all may have to, given the coming disruptions from climate, inequality, war, civil unrest, famine, plague, etc. resulting from these systemic planetary constraints.

You can worship the late 18th century US constitution, but being an originalist actually puts you at risk of being out of date from intentional blindness over the past few centuries and the modern dynamics now globally at play. I've lost count of how many former empires have counted on their exceptionalism to pull them through. The only exceptionalism now is to create your own.
Whatever America's problems are they are at least 3 times better at everything than 99% of other countries.

USA's problems are the very definition of first world problems (except gun violence).
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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I get what you're saying, but this isn't really a positive imo
Not for the guy who needs his toilet fixed, absolutely. But it reflects different value systems.

The American approach is typically to pay people off until you meet their price, because the assumption is that everyone wants more money. And then it comes smack into a lifestyle that prioritizes its leisure time once it feels it has enough money.

In America, nothing is ever enough. Excess is its own reward.

Whatever America's problems are they are at least 3 times better at everything than 99% of other countries.

USA's problems are the very definition of first world problems (except gun violence).
True dat. Most Americans don't realize how good they have it compared with the rest of the world.

Theres a K pop band at the white house to address anti asian crimes. Its going downhill for the US fast
"K pop" would be so much cooler if it were a reference to a type of gun shooting.
 

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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and for whom is it going uphill? indulge me.
Its going downhill for every nation probably at the moment, but the US are the main cultural driver in the west for exagerrated wokeness and all sorts of extreme. Scratch that, I'd say in everything, from economically and other sphere of influence, politically, you name it, them going also downhill impact all other countries. I don't know why you're being defensive
 
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Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Its going downhill for every nation probably at the moment, but the US are the main cultural driver in the west for exagerrated wokeness and all sorts of extreme. Scratch that, I'd say in everything, from economically and other sphere of influence, politically, you name it, them going also downhill impact all other countries. I don't know why you're being defensive
Because it's bullshit. America's strength lies in that very so-called extremes, it ends up finding balance that way.
I can already sense this woke bullshit dying down slowly but surely, balance is coming.
 

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