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Read the comic if you did. The movie completely shits on the tone and story of the comic.
I'm glad I read the comic after or I would disliked the movie most likely.
Only thing it got right it's the basics of rebellion but completely butchered the anarchy and pure well layered fascism (how it came to be, apathy etc, kind of warning to its readers) of the original.
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I'm glad I read the comic after or I would disliked the movie most likely.
Only thing it got right it's the basics of rebellion but completely butchered the anarchy and pure well layered fascism (how it came to be, apathy etc, kind of warning to its readers) of the original.
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By far.
Btw, I joined The Terminator Forum.
I'll give it a go.
I don't think you understand how RT works. The % is pretty much irrelevant. It's just the percentage of positive reviews. Better is the weighted score they give or Metacritic gives.
Batman vs Superman gets a 4.9/10 on RT and 44/100 on MetaCritic. Which moves the critic score much closer to the audience score.
The other difference is made up with outlier ratings. The reason audience scores are so high on these sites is the ridiculous number of people rating these films 10/10. 3 of the last 10 reviews on MetaCritic by users are 10/10. These are people who really have no ability to use critical reasoning. If you take out the nonsense ratings for a movie like this of 10/10 or 0/10, you are looking at the film's audience score being much more in line, with the critic score. There was an article written on this a while back that I seem to have lost track of.
Of about 1500 user reviews on Metacritic... 300 of them are 10/10 for Batman vs Superman. Conversely 80 of them are 0/10.
The only reason these films show such a giant difference between critic---audience is because of completely absurd people giving such nonsense ratings as 10/10 that show absolutely no critical analysis at all.
Critics are the perfect ones to judge a blockbuster imo, because they don't go overboard with the fanboy junk.
Batman vs Superman gets a 4.9/10 on RT and 44/100 on MetaCritic. Which moves the critic score much closer to the audience score.
The other difference is made up with outlier ratings. The reason audience scores are so high on these sites is the ridiculous number of people rating these films 10/10. 3 of the last 10 reviews on MetaCritic by users are 10/10. These are people who really have no ability to use critical reasoning. If you take out the nonsense ratings for a movie like this of 10/10 or 0/10, you are looking at the film's audience score being much more in line, with the critic score. There was an article written on this a while back that I seem to have lost track of.
Of about 1500 user reviews on Metacritic... 300 of them are 10/10 for Batman vs Superman. Conversely 80 of them are 0/10.
The only reason these films show such a giant difference between critic---audience is because of completely absurd people giving such nonsense ratings as 10/10 that show absolutely no critical analysis at all.
Critics are the perfect ones to judge a blockbuster imo, because they don't go overboard with the fanboy junk.
I'm a huge comic fanboy since childhood. Anyone who gives any comicbook movie a 10/10 shouldn't be allowed to vote on anything ever, or have children.
Also, the reason DC's movies are getting shit on by critics is because of the types of issues within the films. Marvels movies are generally not that great, but they're fun, the narrative makes sense and there are not huge jarring issues with their movies. Whereas both Suicide Squad and BvS from a narrative and editing standpoint are all over the place (not saying they're the only issues). They're messy. Which makes perfect sense when you hear the stories about the infighting at WB between the execs and the directors of these movies, and the very late edits that are made to these movies. A regular movie goer is usually far more willing to ignore these types of issues. A critic on the other-hand is going to jump all over that type of stuff. If the issues for Suicide Squad were simply a shitty villain and a by-the-numbers plot (ala a typical Marvel movie) the reviews wouldn't nearly have been bad.
Also, the reason DC's movies are getting shit on by critics is because of the types of issues within the films. Marvels movies are generally not that great, but they're fun, the narrative makes sense and there are not huge jarring issues with their movies. Whereas both Suicide Squad and BvS from a narrative and editing standpoint are all over the place (not saying they're the only issues). They're messy. Which makes perfect sense when you hear the stories about the infighting at WB between the execs and the directors of these movies, and the very late edits that are made to these movies. A regular movie goer is usually far more willing to ignore these types of issues. A critic on the other-hand is going to jump all over that type of stuff. If the issues for Suicide Squad were simply a shitty villain and a by-the-numbers plot (ala a typical Marvel movie) the reviews wouldn't nearly have been bad.
I think the issue at hand with the DC movies, is that they are trying to cram too much into each movie, in an attempt to catch up to the narratives that the Marvel Universe have set forth. I love the DC heroes, and the villains for that matter, but you can't just try to fit the whole story of the universe into 3 or 4 movies. It's impossible. They should have tried to let it grow organically like Marvel did. I think the other problem that you see, is that the two main protagonists, Batman and Superman, have already been done, and done much better, in previous versions of the DC Universe. It's hard to eliminate that stigma. I can't help but think of Christian Bale and Michael Keaton when I see Batman, and as corny as he was, Christopher Reeve will always be Superman in the movies.
Marvel didn't have that. Sure, they had Spiderman movies, but only recently did a version of Spiderman even show up in the Marvel Universe this time around. They got to start with a clean slate. Which is why I think that the Wonder Woman movie, and hopefully, sequels, could be the best of the bunch for DC
And I love V for Vendetta if you just take it as it is. If you try to compare it with the comics, you are surely to be disappointed.
Marvel didn't have that. Sure, they had Spiderman movies, but only recently did a version of Spiderman even show up in the Marvel Universe this time around. They got to start with a clean slate. Which is why I think that the Wonder Woman movie, and hopefully, sequels, could be the best of the bunch for DC
And I love V for Vendetta if you just take it as it is. If you try to compare it with the comics, you are surely to be disappointed.
True, they may not be great on their own, but I don't think they are looking for great. But what they do a great job of, is weaving all of the storylines together from each series of movies. If you watch all of them, you never feel lost in how it all goes together.
I've watched BvS several times in the hope of really enjoying it and putting it all together, but the movie was all over the place. Even the "Ultimate Edition", I couldn't tie the story together. You're going to kill off Superman, just when you are about to form the Justice League? What? And I am a huge DC Universe fanboy, back from when I was a child collecting comic books. Maybe I am just getting old.
I've watched BvS several times in the hope of really enjoying it and putting it all together, but the movie was all over the place. Even the "Ultimate Edition", I couldn't tie the story together. You're going to kill off Superman, just when you are about to form the Justice League? What? And I am a huge DC Universe fanboy, back from when I was a child collecting comic books. Maybe I am just getting old.
Marvel are entertaining and fantastical in surreal escapist way, they dont take themselves too seriously (X men got worse when they tried to do too much). But most importantly they plan their releases and how they work together very very well. A movie like Captain america civil war, which is the best so far for me, it clicked so well with so many characters jumpled together is fantastic acheivement (compare it to DC who Serge describes well), but it wouldnt worked if they didnt have years of meticolously releasing and building up their characters well, and mostly giving the projects to capable people who work in the same direction (first Cap movie didnt work, so lets give it to two brothers who make it a thrilling spy action, smart move).
Yeah there are some fuck ups, like Joss Whedon with last avenger movie (felt like a highlight set reel of just going to one action scene after another, lazy as fuck), and last Iron Man, but as you said cash cows and quantity over quality rules when you churn them out in succession like that. But in general these are movies based on comics, and the most simple and silly type of comics in superheroes, so generally you are to expect shit you wouldnt even imagined to ever seen on the big screen (its actually mindboggling the kind of projects they take on), thrilling larger then life escapism instead of compelling stories or acting. Tho its kinda ridicolous how many excellent top notch actors they have attracted to these roles (Dr Strange casting, hot damn). Not suprising considering the pay day.
But its kind of a win-win sitaution for fans. I friggin get to see a lesser known one like Black Panther movie with excellent cast to boot which I would never expected after trying his comic as a kid. And I still cant believe they did an Ant-Man movie and it was awesome
Long gone are the days where the only comics made are the big 3 heroes (Supes, Bat, Spidey), and the rest get butchered and forgotten quickly (ala Punisher ones).
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I usually dont let reviews sway me, but I bought the premier tickets for Suicide Squad for tonight and I must say I'm worried about reading this. The cast and director seem fine and I been looking forward to it a while, but to read again how the suits are meddling in and re-editing and cutting the movie is just mindboggingly stupid, like it wasnt enough with Supes vs Bat.
Yeah there are some fuck ups, like Joss Whedon with last avenger movie (felt like a highlight set reel of just going to one action scene after another, lazy as fuck), and last Iron Man, but as you said cash cows and quantity over quality rules when you churn them out in succession like that. But in general these are movies based on comics, and the most simple and silly type of comics in superheroes, so generally you are to expect shit you wouldnt even imagined to ever seen on the big screen (its actually mindboggling the kind of projects they take on), thrilling larger then life escapism instead of compelling stories or acting. Tho its kinda ridicolous how many excellent top notch actors they have attracted to these roles (Dr Strange casting, hot damn). Not suprising considering the pay day.
But its kind of a win-win sitaution for fans. I friggin get to see a lesser known one like Black Panther movie with excellent cast to boot which I would never expected after trying his comic as a kid. And I still cant believe they did an Ant-Man movie and it was awesome
Long gone are the days where the only comics made are the big 3 heroes (Supes, Bat, Spidey), and the rest get butchered and forgotten quickly (ala Punisher ones).- - - Updated - - -
I usually dont let reviews sway me, but I bought the premier tickets for Suicide Squad for tonight and I must say I'm worried about reading this. The cast and director seem fine and I been looking forward to it a while, but to read again how the suits are meddling in and re-editing and cutting the movie is just mindboggingly stupid, like it wasnt enough with Supes vs Bat.
Yeah, I'm a big fan of Ayer (Loved End of Watch especially) so I had expectations of at least a very well crafted film. It definitely wasn't as bad as BvS though. You can clearly tell when watching it that stuff has been left on the editing room floor, but the movie at least makes sense for the most part unlike the theatrical version of BvS. It felt like a lot of Joker stuff was cut (I'm guessing due to trying to keep it PG maybe), as was some background stuff for some of the lesser members of the squad.
