Movie Talk (New Films, Old Films... doesn't matter) (41 Viewers)

Klin

نحن الروبوتات
May 27, 2009
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Elaborate because I've been going at this alone all day. :D
Nothing much to elaborate. I won't go as deep as you and others did with all that patriotism bullshit. It's a war movie and IMO it brought the goods. Definitely not an Oscar worthy goods, but not every movie has to be.

You... you suck.
You ruin all the fun. You criticize everything.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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lol how do i not remember this
Hmm, first you say Friedman is your hero, now you're forgetful...you should consider getting yourself checke for Dementia :p

In which instance is patriotism good?
I wouldn't say it's ever good, but in some cases it's harmless. For example, supporting your national football team.

Though I really dislike any form of patriotic/nationalist sentiment that's actually meant seriously.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
Moderator
Oct 11, 2005
75,685
Interesting that an extremely conservative movie is nominated for Oscars, including best picture, in an extremely liberal Hollywood. Furthermore, not only is it nominated for best picture but Bradley is nominated for best actor which counters your argument considerably.

-Best picture
-Best Actor
-Best Writing Adapted Screenplay
-Best Film Editing
-Best Sound Mixing

Lastly, if you actually payed any attention to the movie you should have realized it's actually an anti-war movie. It clearly shows the effects of war on a solider and the deadly effects of PTSD as a result of exposure to war and how it changes the psyche of human emotions and the aftermath of what happens to the family on the home front. If anything, and its obvious you completely missed the point of the movie, Eastwood was showing the ugly emotional toll on soldiers. Now, regardless of your view on America's Military/Government/Decisions to go to war are in fact irrelevant because nothing about the movie portrays any of that. It's strictly down to the emotional toll soldiers endure (my wife included, she was Navy & at Gitmo) on what happens to a soul once it has actually seen war. If anything this movie was to show America the bad side (death included) of war, not the reward ceremony at the end but that actual day-to-day regress in quality of life for soldiers as they cope with what they saw.

Your criticism is certainly noted, but I'll take actual movie critics opinion more seriously. It's interesting because here in DC the movies are obviously loaded with current/retired US soldiers who can speak to the horrors they faced/committed during wartime.

Again, I'm sure there will be another smart ass comment that follows this that people laugh at or poke comments at Americans, like myself, and that's fine but you won't see me stoop down so go right ahead with the rash comments.
I thought it was shit. Not a political thing, just something I'd already seen and not done very well.

Plus I read Kyle's book beforehand and didn't like how they changed his personality.

Just noticed you just politicized a movie.:lol:
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
75,685
Fireworks and 4th of July, for example? Celebrating our independence isn't a bad thing.
Dude, that's not patriotism.

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can you expound on that?
He wrote in his book that he enjoyed killing Iraqis, in interviews he could be brash and unapologetic, but in the film there are a few scenes where he shoots someone and then "feels bad about it" or begs someone (to himself) not to make him shoot them. I think Clint Eastwood portrayed the more humble and respectful side of Kyle in order to avoid controversy. I thought it would have made for an interesting character study. I personally have no problem with a soldier hating those he's asked to fight. When people are killing your friends and trying to kill you, it's not surprising to have those feelings.

All in all, I don't think the film is very controversial. You either like it or you don't. Unfortunately for some, if you don't like it then you are anti-american and if you do like it your some clod-hoppin' numskull and neither is at all true.

My biggest issue with the film was that I felt incredibly bored throughout. But that's my personal opinion. I just think I'm ready for another Platoon and need all these new Saving Private Ryan's to take a seat.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Dude, that's not patriotism.

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He wrote in his book that he enjoyed killing Iraqis, in interviews he could be brash and unapologetic, but in the film there are few scenes where he shoots someone and then "feels bad about it" or begs someone (to himself) not to make him shoot them. I think Clint Eastwood portrayed the more humble and respectful side of Kyle in order to avoid controversy. I thought it would have made for an interesting character study. I personally have no problem with a soldier hating those he's asked to fight. When people are killing your friends and trying to kill you, it's not surprising to have those feelings.

All in all, I don't think the film is very controversial. You either like it or you don't. Unfortunately for some, if you don't like it then you are anti-american and if you do like it your some clod-hoppin' numskull and neither is at all true.

My biggest issue with the film was that I felt incredibly bored throughout. But that's my personal opinion. I just think I'm ready for another Platoon and need all these new Saving Private Ryan's to take a seat.

:tup: really bravo!
 

Salvo

J
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Dec 17, 2007
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How many members do we have here that have been in the military?

Speaking of war films, does anyone else agree that the first half of full metal jacket was great but the second is hella average? No platoon/Apocalypse now
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,709
Dude, that's not patriotism.

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He wrote in his book that he enjoyed killing Iraqis, in interviews he could be brash and unapologetic, but in the film there are a few scenes where he shoots someone and then "feels bad about it" or begs someone (to himself) not to make him shoot them. I think Clint Eastwood portrayed the more humble and respectful side of Kyle in order to avoid controversy. I thought it would have made for an interesting character study. I personally have no problem with a soldier hating those he's asked to fight. When people are killing your friends and trying to kill you, it's not surprising to have those feelings.

All in all, I don't think the film is very controversial. You either like it or you don't. Unfortunately for some, if you don't like it then you are anti-american and if you do like it your some clod-hoppin' numskull and neither is at all true.

My biggest issue with the film was that I felt incredibly bored throughout. But that's my personal opinion. I just think I'm ready for another Platoon and need all these new Saving Private Ryan's to take a seat.
I posted Apocalypse Now, always liked that flick
 

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