Massimiliano Allegri (224 Viewers)

[Arcticdaly]

Hes rightly being mocked by media for hes stupid comments so deluded he is and u can tell hes feeling the pressure because he never bothered before to say such moronic comments like he has been saying the last month or two, like saying Ajax are very lucky and whining about are injurys to players when thats hes fault in the first place.

 

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[il brutto]

It's crazy that all these awful teams make the latter stages of CL or even the final. So the only team that isn't awful is the CL winner. Good info.

 

[juve123]

Idk, their path so far reminds me a lot of Juventus' road to Cardiff. Porto with 2 ridiculous red cards in 1/8, awful Barcelona in 1/4 (that shouldn't have been there at all), inexperienced Monaco in 1/2. That road looked way too comfy, it was really worrying for me that the team didn't have a chance to test their true strength before the final. And then there was a huge humiliation in the final, and, as it seems, one of the reasons for it was that false confidence the team got after all the previous stages.

Our midfield got exposed by Real Madrid and still continues to do so in Europe

 

[Siamak]

allegri doesn't get the best out of players.
one major thing is about injuries.i remember Milan players under him missed about 300 Serie A matches in 2011-12 because of injuries, they would have won the Serie A if they weren't fielding half a new team every few weeks.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ight-to-complain-about-injuries-with-ac-milan
https://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/e...-games-to-33-how-ac-milans-devastating-injury

Then came allegri with his defensive tactic. he has won 5 Serie A titles that we would’ve won regardless of whether or not we signed him. the fact is any coach for Juventus would be able to do that.
I also look back to Allegri’s seasons at Milan and he just won 1 scudetto (82 pts, Scudetto, CL round of 16) and nothing special about CL.
milan under allegri(2010-2014)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012–13_A.C._Milan_season
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_A.C._Milan_season
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–11_A.C._Milan_season

 

[DS8_Montero]

It's crazy that all these awful teams make the latter stages of CL or even the final.

Ok, let's take a look at each of top opponents Ajax played against to date.

1. Bayern Munich. Except for them and Ajax, there were Benfica and AEK in the group - not the hardest job for both teams that went through to the round of 16. By the end of the group stage, in Bundesliga they were on the 3rd place (it's as if Juventus were behind Napoli and Roma), with the goal difference worse than RB Leipzig's and Eintracht Frankfurt's below them. In 1/8 Bayern was humiliated and eliminated by Liverpool.

2. Real Madrid. On the group stage they had Roma, Victoria Plzen and CSKA. Of course they got to 1/8. By the end of the group stage, in La Liga they sat on the 4-5th place, having lost third of all games. At the time of the round of 16 they significantly improved their results in domestic league (2nd place), but were still shaky, which eventually led to the coach replacement. Nonetheless, they pretty confidently won the away game against Ajax and clearly underestimated their rivals (were unfocused and amorphic) in the return leg (and, as an addition to all these "bonuses", Ajax were very lucky on the pitch in Madrid).

3. Juventus. Since we're on Tuz, I believe, we can skip this part as obvious for everybody.

I don't see a point in saying that all these teams were in at least normal shape and their unusually bad state didn't contribute heavily to the Ajax's success.

We're still yet to see what Ajax are capable of when facing a top team in the best shape.

 

[il brutto]

Ok, let's take a look at each of top opponents Ajax played against to date.

1. Bayern Munich. Except for them and Ajax, there were Benfica and AEK in the group - not the hardest job for both teams that went through to the round of 16. By the end of the group stage, in Bundesliga they were on the 3rd place (it's as if Juventus were behind Napoli and Roma), with the goal difference worse than RB Leipzig's and Eintracht Frankfurt's below them. In 1/8 Bayern was humiliated and eliminated by Liverpool.

2. Real Madrid. On the group stage they had Roma, Victoria Plzen and CSKA. Of course they got to 1/8. By the end of the group stage, in La Liga they sat on the 4-5th place, having lost third of all games. At the time of the round of 16 they significantly improved their results in domestic league (2nd place), but were still shaky, which eventually led to the coach replacement. Nonetheless, they pretty confidently won the away game against Ajax and clearly underestimated their rivals (were unfocused and amorphic) in the return leg (and, as an addition to all these "bonuses", Ajax were very lucky on the pitch in Madrid).

3. Juventus. Since we're on Tuz, I believe, we can skip this part as obvious for everybody.

I don't see a point in saying that all these teams were in at least normal shape and their unusually bad state didn't contribute heavily to the Ajax's success.

We're still yet to see what Ajax are capable of when facing a top team in the best shape.

There are no "awful" teams in the CL quarter-finals. Are some teams in less than ideal condition? Of course. My arguments aren't about Ajax, they are about you going overboard in trying to make some sort of point.

 

[DS8_Montero]

There are no "awful" teams in the CL quarter-finals.

I thought it was obvious that by saying "awful Bayern Munich, etc." I meant "the team in an a shape which is significantly worse than their usual normal self".

Are some teams in less than ideal condition?

If such words imply that the condition doesn't mean much as the place in the quarter-finals is a sufficient confirmation of the team's good state, I cannot agree with that. "Less than ideal condition" - these are words too soft to describe a pretty obvious system crisis Juventus and Man Utd (both teams were in the quarter-finals) are in.

Actually, I'm not trying to make any point here. I'm just a little bit puzzled by how Ajax suddenly became an example for Juventus, like, if they did it, then Juventus surely can do the same thing. I find this comparison wrong on almost every level, from the club development and business strategies to the comparison of managers, as if their coach is doing something smart that Max could be doing but doesn't do because of his stubbornness or outdated thinking.

That's why I wrote that if with this squad no other manager could do anything better in terms of trophies, it would be unreasonable to replace Allegri with any of them if the only possible additional outcome would be visually more appealing football.

 

[Vlad]

What team is good enough for CL domination? None. This is stupid. Our team is good enough. Ajax are almost in the final with a much inferior squad. So many Monday Night quarterbacks. I bet you it was the same people that 6 months ago said Barcelona weren’t that strong and stood no chance in winning the CL.

Ajax have been outplaying every team they have faced in CL this season. Is their first 11 that much inferior to ours? Their midfield is a level, at least, above ours. Without Chiellini our defense falls apart against semi decent opponent. How many blunders have we seen from Cancelo, Bonucci, Rugani this season? Far too many.

 

[Juventinoo]

Ajax have been outplaying every team they have faced in CL this season. Is their first 11 that much inferior to ours? Their midfield is a level, at least, above ours. Without Chiellini our defense falls apart against semi decent opponent. How many blunders have we seen from Cancelo, Bonucci, Rugani this season? Far too many.

Dude ..we are outplayed by Atalanta , Napoli , Torino ...etc teams ...not only Ajax

Our team has no Physic - Leadership - Stamina - Vision midfield , bunch of cowards and frightened chickens

 

[duranfj]

With today rumours about players relationship with Max I would say this and I trully mean it: change him for anyone with a descent medical staff and a great motivator, anyone

 

[Gian]

Even though I think he's a fine coach, I do consider him way too stubborn in his way of thinking. Recently, I re-read a lot of interviews of him saying football tactics aren't science etc. This comes back in his game plan of the past 2 or 3 seasons. Doesn't matter which formation we played, but it's often a 4-3-something. That means our attack has no specific structure whatsoever. I can't say I like that brand of football anymore

 

[pavluska]

 

[IliveForJuve]

Streeeeeeeeet

 

[Vlad]

 

[Hust]

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Our team has no Physic - Leadership - Stamina

throw in SMS, Pogba and Ndombele and that will change

 

[CrimsonianKing]

 

[lgorTudor]

Unfunny twitter pleb farming normie claps. Well I guess Allegri also trained Messi in the NT

 

[IlCapitano]

Unfunny twitter pleb farming normie claps. Well I guess Allegri also trained Messi in the NT

Now this is funny.

 

[Bianconero81]

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throw in SMS, Pogba and Ndombele and that will change

So, we have to wait until 2021 for that to materialize? Provided we don't sell any member of that trio before they all arrive and have a chance to play with each other of course

 

[IlCapitano]

Ciao posso chiedere a te? Ho una fonte diretta con il mister (dopo se vuoi mando le prove). Ho saputo che il mister vuole rimanere, anzi fosse per lui rimarrebbe fino a fine carriera perché alla Juve ea Torino sta da dio. Questa volta però vuole essere ascoltato, non vuole assolutamente mettersi a dettare legge ma almeno rendersi conto di essere ascoltato, vuole essere assecondato sul mercato se non sui nomi quantomeno sulle caratteristiche. Questo sarà il nodo fondamentale dell'incontro con Agnelli. Non appena so altro su possibili nomi ti aggiorno. Si può riportare senza fare nomi? Non voglio apparire e non voglio che esca in alcun modo fuori il mio nome.

From VS. Now this sounds reasonable and balanced, compared to other 'gurus' who keep insisting on Guardiola etc.

Basically, a person contacted one of the mods there and said he has a direct contact/source with Allegri and thus wants to stay anonymous. He said Allegri wants to stay and if it was just up to him he would retire at Juventus, but this summer he wants much more input in transfers. He doesn't want to control things (like Conte did), maybe not even demand names but he wants to be deciding on characteristics of the players that we bring in this summer and that will be the fundamental point in his meeting with Agnelli.