Massimiliano Allegri (216 Viewers)

[il brutto]

Are we going to sit and talk about small margins when we comprehensively got outplayed by team of kids ?

I don't think I need to take the argument any further. We spent a lot of money, with that comes the expectations. This is just the reality of football and I'm sure coaches who coach the big clubs around the world realize that.

This is not to say Allegri has done a bad job this season but there is nothing wrong in wanting a different coach who could bring a refreshing approach to our game. It is much like when Allegri took over from Conte and improvised on the squad and took us to a different level. Who is to say the new coach can't do the same ?

Yes the margins are small. Even against Ajax we eventually went out to a goal they scored from a corner. Of course Ajax deservedly went through and were the better team over two legs.

Perhaps he can, but changing doesn't automatically result in long-term improvement. That is an illusion people have. You can in your mind create this picture of something wonderful that has all the best characteristics without any flaws. Once you actually face the change the reality can be very different.

Also this isn't something that is only a problem for Juve fans and Allegri. Even currently there are Barca fans crying over Valverde's pragmatic approach. There are certainly some coaches like Pep and Klopp who aren't judged by the same standards that the likes of Allegri are because they play the "right kind" of football.

 

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[JuveJay]

And you probably thought the same when we replaced Conte with Allegri.

Hmm I don't remember, I did feel a bit underwhelmed but didn't know that much about Allegri other than his achievements. But what people want is an ever more attractive/high profile coach, style of football etc and I don't think it works like that. We got lucky with Conte and got even luckier with Allegri but a coach with his style and class is obviously more suited to us than some mentioned.

I see more than tactics and quality as being our issue in continental football. We signed Ronaldo to try to give this club and players a lift and it didn't make that big a difference in the CL. Winning 8 titles in a row is unprecedented and we have no way to know how long it will last, how you improve on it, how you keep players motivated, they are our biggest battles. We faced an Ajax team in the prime and peak of their form, fitness and optimism and were inferior but really it was the one game and it happens. What we do against Frosinon, Bologna and basically any other club in the league matters not. Completely irrelevant. The Atletico performance shows that, but when push comes to shove you have one chance to pull it all together for KO games and you get it wrong you are out. You can even play very well and lose, as I believe Liverpool did this week.

 

[Signora Omicidi]

The amount of excuses Pro Allegri brings up are infinite. First they said for winning CL you need Ronaldos and Messis of the world. We got the best of them for Max But nothing changed except for worst.

You don't need Telescope to see our glaring weakness in our team. We are unable to impose our game and create chances against any team in open play. Our only game plan consist of passing it to the wings and hoof the ball to the box.
We don't have any identity and i don't expect to see dramatic change to our style if Max remains here.

But the most important thing for me is our injury record and amount of out of form players under him is just terrible. Our squad is always crippled and so many players are out injured in every important matches.

And this is all on Allegri and his team.

 

[il brutto]

The amount of excuses Pro Allegri brings up are infinite. First they said for winning CL you need Ronaldos and Messis of the world. We got the best of them for Max But nothing changed except for worst.

You don't need Telescope to see our glaring weakness in our team. We are unable to impose our game and create chances against any team in open play. Our only game plan consist of passing it to the wings and hoof the ball to the box.
We don't have any identity and i don't expect to see dramatic change to our style if Max remains here.

But the most important thing for me is our injury record and amount of out of form players under him is just terrible. Our squad is always crippled and so many players are out injured in every important matches.

And this is all on Allegri and his team.

Very balanced and reasonable critique.

 

[Post Ironic]

Hopefully it wont happen, and why would it be a joy, it would mean we failed again and Allegri keeps regressing?

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Please, dude. People like Vialli and Hist were saying they hope Allegri is sacked even if we win CL.

Obviously I’m talking about the crying of dummies. Not reasonable complaints by people like you, Crimmy, etc.

 

[Siamak]

English???

sportmediaset is an italian media.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Please, dude. People like Vialli and Hist were saying they hope Allegri is sacked even if we win CL.

Obviously I’m talking about the crying of dummies. Not reasonable complaints by people like you, Crimmy, etc.

But I do believe that Allegri regressed the past two seasons. Just look at our peak time. He used to get that right and he didn’t give a damn about the criticism during the first part of the season. The past two season (but especially this season) it has been the other way around. That’s also why the players keep getting injured.

And he got the attacking side he wanted. Remember how we used to bitch about Vidal, Pirlo and Marchisio not being creative enough?

 

[Post Ironic]

But I do believe that Allegri regressed the past two seasons. Just look at our peak time. He used to get that right and he didn’t give a damn about the criticism during the first part of the season. The past two season (but especially this season) it has been the other way around. That’s also why they keep getting injured.

And he got the attacking side he wanted. Remember how we used to bitch about Vidal, Pirlo and Marchisio not being creative enough?

I agree with you 100%. Which is why I’m also not against a change of coach. Fresh and new ideas on the bench would be interesting to see.

However, I’m also not against sticking with Allegri another year and seeing if he can turn things around with some fresh new faces and more rejuvenation of the squad. Obviously, on a short leash if we stay with him, but he’s certainly earned that chance in his time here.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I never complained about Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal not being creative enough.

But I do believe that Allegri regressed the past two seasons. Just look at our peak time. He used to get that right and he didn’t give a damn about the criticism during the first part of the season. The past two season (but especially this season) it has been the other way around. That’s also why they keep getting injured.

And he got the attacking side he wanted. Remember how we used to bitch about Vidal, Pirlo and Marchisio not being creative enough?

He got his attacking side, but did he want it in exchange for a good midfield? I doubt it. I don't know about tuz, but i didn't have complaints over Pirlo, Vidal and Cheesio not being creative enough.

 

[il brutto]

I never complained about Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal not being creative enough.

He got his attacking side, but did he want it in exchange for a good midfield? I doubt it. I don't know about tuz, but i didn't have complaints over Pirlo, Vidal and Cheesio not being creative enough.

Ironically the complaints were probably the same as today. Relying too much on the flanks and crosses from there. People need to realize that the spaces to exploit are mostly out-wide. Any team that is decent defensively will suffocate the middle.

 

[Post Ironic]

Very balanced and reasonable critique.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I agree with you 100%. Which is why I’m also not against a change of coach. Fresh and new ideas on the bench would be interesting to see.

However, I’m also not against sticking with Allegri another year and seeing if he can turn things around with some fresh new faces and more rejuvenation of the squad. Obviously, on a short leash if we stay with him, but he’s certainly earned that chance in his time here.

Agree. I’m done with believing in immediately change.

 

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He lost his mind , fuck off

 

[Post Ironic]

Ironically the complaints were probably the same as today. Relying too much on the flanks and crosses from there. People need to realize that the spaces to exploit are mostly out-wide. Any team that is decent defensively will suffocate the middle.

I find it rather amusing that people blame Allegri 100% for Dougie C and Dybala having atrocious seasons. Most on this forum voted one of those 2 as our season mvp last year. So considering the atrocity seasons those 2 had, it’s hard to have expected our season to turn out well.

And while Allegri could deserve some of the blame for Dybala’s struggles, he obviously isn’t entirely at fault for Dybala’s piss-poor attitude this year, and appalling touch and control compared to his first 3 seasons here.

Costa, Allegri deserves zero blame for. Dude went full retard 4 matches into the season, spat in another player’s face and tried to assault him, then was horribly out of form for 3 months after his suspension, and got injured and wrecked his car after that.

If I was told before the season that our two best creative attackers would be this awful this year, i would probably have expected a failed season.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I never complained about Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal not being creative enough.

He got his attacking side, but did he want it in exchange for a good midfield? I doubt it. I don't know about tuz, but i didn't have complaints over Pirlo, Vidal and Cheesio not being creative enough.

As much as I love and rate this club as an all time great, I can’t ignore the fact that we’re nowhere near economic big enough to compete on salary. Yes. Ronaldo is the exception and we spend a lot. But our salaries are ridicolous compared to English clubs, PSG, Bayern, Real Madrid and Barcelona.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Stop quoting that Momblano dud. He's the one who's lost it.

 

[Signora Omicidi]

It's not just Dybala and Costa that are out of form this year.
Pjanic, Sandro, Cancelo, Manzu and Cuadrado suffered from the same problem. Then you have guys like Matuidi, Bentancur and Bernardeschi who became hit and miss this season.

This can't be all on our players.

 

[il brutto]

Berna and Bentancur have both had better seasons than last season. Matuidi, Cuadrado and Mandzo have all had more or less their normal season (Cuads has been injured for most of it though). Cancelo we didn't see how he did last season, but I assume he had one good half and one bad just like this season. Alex Sandro is the only out of those mentioned who for some reason hasn't reached his normal level for some time now.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Berna and Bentancur have both had better seasons than last season. Matuidi, Cuadrado and Mandzo have all had more or less their normal season (Cuads has been injured for most of it though). Cancelo we didn't see how he did last season, but I assume he had one good half and one bad just like this season. Alex Sandro is the only out of those mentioned who for some reason hasn't reached his normal level for some time now.

You need some context here. Imo, the problem is how Allegri set up the team. Most of our players looked great in late 2018. In the new year most of them haven’t been able to string a pass. And they keep getting injured.

 

[Post Ironic]

Berna and Bentancur have both had better seasons than last season. Matuidi, Cuadrado and Mandzo have all had more or less their normal season (Cuads has been injured for most of it though). Cancelo we didn't see how he did last season, but I assume he had one good half and one bad just like this season. Alex Sandro is the only out of those mentioned who for some reason hasn't reached his normal level for some time now.

Given the complaints on this forum about how shit Matuidi and Mandzu are and how they should be sold to China... and then how lazy and overrated Pjanic is and how we should sell him first good offer to upgrade... and how Spinazzola is way better than Sandro already... and Bernadeschi is a blockhead with terrible decision-making...

Not sure which posters I should take seriously? Those who say most of our players are shit? Or those who say the coach makes most of our players shit? Or the special bunch who believe we are team full of shit players with a shit coach?