Massimiliano Allegri (216 Viewers)

[il brutto]

Given the complaints on this forum about how shit Matuidi and Mandzu are and how they should be sold to China... and then how lazy and overrated Pjanic is and how we should sell him first good offer to upgrade... and how Spinazzola is way better than Sandro already... and Bernadeschi is a blockhead with terrible decision-making...

Not sure which posters I should take seriously? Those who say most of our players are shit? Or those who say the coach makes most of our players shit? Or the special bunch who believe we are team full of shit players with a shit coach?

We live in a world of extremes. It's not possible that both the players and the coach shoulder some of the blame.

 

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[MikeM]

Are we going to sit and talk about small margins when we comprehensively got outplayed by team of kids ?

I don't think I need to take the argument any further. We spent a lot of money, with that comes the expectations. This is just the reality of football and I'm sure coaches who coach the big clubs around the world realize that.

This is not to say Allegri has done a bad job this season but there is nothing wrong in wanting a different coach who could bring a refreshing approach to our game. It is much like when Allegri took over from Conte and improvised on the squad and took us to a different level. Who is to say the new coach can't do the same ?

The margins are thin. That's why it's possible that we lost before Max even set out his tactics. Think about how Chiellini relapses his calf injury with nothing to do between games but to rest. And about how Benatia ends up in a desert somewhere. We lost by a goal, playing our 3rd and 4th best CBs. So it's possible that Allegri could have had the exact same tactics and still got through if he only had his best players on the field.

This seems like another problem Max has to sort out because he's directly responsible for it.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Given the complaints on this forum about how shit Matuidi and Mandzu are and how they should be sold to China... and then how lazy and overrated Pjanic is and how we should sell him first good offer to upgrade... and how Spinazzola is way better than Sandro already... and Bernadeschi is a blockhead with terrible decision-making...

Not sure which posters I should take seriously? Those who say most of our players are shit? Or those who say the coach makes most of our players shit? Or the special bunch who believe we are team full of shit players with a shit coach?

Since Conte I learned a big deal here. Mostly that no matter how good the team is, people will always downgrade it. The team is the core here. We got a well balanced team and we do not rely on individuality. It might cost in the CL, but we keep winning the league and are strong enough to also be among the favourites for the CL.

This season. I read people say we would be fucked without Ronaldo. Wtf? People have complained about us lacking individuality and now they think it’s all we got.

 

[Juventinoo]

It's not just Dybala and Costa that are out of form this year.
Pjanic, Sandro, Cancelo, Manzu and Cuadrado suffered from the same problem. Then you have guys like Matuidi, Bentancur and Bernardeschi who became hit and miss this season.

This can't be all on our players.

Thats funny,

Pjanic off form since 2 years now and the guy is not good or if better words, he is not the CMF to lead our team ... he is a coward cant shoot, cant send pass to attackers ....

Sandro... this is not his first bad season...

Cancelo, yeah ... he started well then after his injury he is shit

Mandzu, he was great tell his injury

Cuad... are you kidding me ? He is always inconsistant

Bentacour is garbage player

Bernardeschi is inconsistant and lacks vision

Costa this year attitude and Dybala lost his place to Ronaldo ...

Who is at fault then?

Our management assested our current squad need in the wrong way.

Marotta to blame

 

[DS8_Montero]

This squad is too good for Serie A, and that's why any scudetto now is taken for granted - as it should be, frankly (with these Napoli, Inter, Milan, Roma, and Lazio). Any result other than gold medals in this league would be considered a complete disaster, and rightfully so. Because these days scudetto doesn't mean that you're exceptionally good - it merely means that you're not as bad as all of your competitors.

At the same time, this very squad is clearly not good enough for Champions League domination. That's why there's hope every year, but nobody's genuinely surprised when there's no happy end at the end of the season.

Hence, whatever Max does now, it's destined to stay unnoticed by most fans, because it rarely influences the final result in terms of titles. Scudetto is still there, CL is still missing.

Can you loose Serie A title with this team? No.

Can you win CL with this team? No.

I guess, everyone agrees on that. So, the only thing left is the style of football Max's team show. For the sake of cutting to the chase, let's call it ugly.

Would you replace your manager if you knew that anybody else with this roster would give you the same result, just to get more attractive football show? When the motto of your club is "result is the only thing that matters"? Please.

Then what is this discussion all about?

 

[Hust]

I think people are going to be surprised when we change coach, and not in a good way.

Perhaps.

But.

Our last two coaches commanded instant results and kept it going for 8 years how do we know a new coach might not do the same?

 

[il brutto]

Perhaps.

But.

Our last two coaches commanded instant results and kept it going for 8 years how do we know a new coach might not do the same?

We don't. Why risk it when you already have someone who gets those results? We wouldn't have changed Conte to Allegri either if we weren't forced to. Thankfully we got lucky and that has not slowed us down.

 

[Hængebøffer]

This squad is too good for Serie A, and that's why any scudetto now is taken for granted - as it should be, frankly (with these Napoli, Inter, Milan, Roma, and Lazio). Any result other than gold medals in this league would be considered a complete disaster, and rightfully so. Because these days scudetto doesn't mean that you're exceptionally good - it merely means that you're not as bad as all of your competitors.

At the same time, this very squad is clearly not good enough for Champions League domination. That's why there's hope every year, but nobody's genuinely surprised when there's no happy end at the end of the season.

Hence, whatever Max does now, it's destined to stay unnoticed by most fans, because it rarely influences the final result in terms of titles. Scudetto is still there, CL is still missing.

Can you loose Serie A title with this team? No.

Can you win CL with this team? No.

I guess, everyone agrees on that. So, the only thing left is the style of football Max's team show. For the sake of cutting to the chase, let's call it ugly.

Would you replace your manager if you knew that anybody else with this roster would give you the same result, just to get more attractive football show? When the motto of your club is "result is the only thing that matters"? Please.

Then what is this discussion all about?

What team is good enough for CL domination? None. This is stupid. Our team is good enough. Ajax are almost in the final with a much inferior squad. So many Monday Night quarterbacks. I bet you it was the same people that 6 months ago said Barcelona weren’t that strong and stood no chance in winning the CL.

 

[DAiDEViL]

The margins are thin. That's why it's possible that we lost before Max even set out his tactics. Think about how Chiellini relapses his calf injury with nothing to do between games but to rest. And about how Benatia ends up in a desert somewhere. We lost by a goal, playing our 3rd and 4th best CBs. So it's possible that Allegri could have had the exact same tactics and still got through if he only had his best players on the field.

This seems like another problem Max has to sort out because he's directly responsible for it.

 

[DS8_Montero]

What team is good enough for CL domination?

Any team that have well-balance squad with top players on most positions. This is what a manager can use to build a title-winning machine (like RM or Barca in the nearest past). Of course, such teams also fail, but for different reasons and in different circumstances compared to Juventus.

For example, when Guardiola failed in CL with BM, it was him to blame, because he had an excellent squad. But Max is definitely not the reason why Juventus haven't won this trophy under his management.

Our team is good enough.

Especially in the midfield.

I bet you it was the same people that 6 months ago said Barcelona weren’t that strong and stood no chance in winning the CL.

It was a popular opinion because they weren't showing good football, but I didn't see a single person questioning the overall quality of their squad.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Any team that have well-balance squad with top players on most positions. This is what a manager can use to build a title-winning machine (like RM or Barca in the nearest past). Of course, such teams also fail, but for different reasons and in different circumstances compared to Juventus.

For example, when Guardiola failed in CL with BM, it was him to blame, because he had an excellent squad. But Max is definitely not the reason why Juventus haven't won this trophy under his management.


Especially in the midfield.


It was a popular opinion because they weren't showing good football, but I didn't see a single person questioning the overall quality of their squad.

Come on. You haven’t adressed my question with any proper argument. The only thing (what looks like an argument) is easily falsified.

 

[zizinho]

Momblano: Allegri has asked to change at least 7-8 players.

It explains everything. Max needs a squad overhaul each summer to be successful. Last 2 summers we only made minimal changes and look where that got us. Sell everyone except Chiellini, GOAT, Mandzu, Pjanic and Szczesny and get ready for another final

 

[rakib567]

 

[DS8_Montero]

You haven’t adressed my question with any proper argument.

What question? "What does it mean to have a team good enough for CL domination?" I explained what I meant, with a special emphasis on the obvious fact that Juventus don't have top midfield.

As for Ajax, any club have a chance of winning the trophy, including Juventus. That's why there's hope at the beginning of every season. But Juventus don't have the squad to steamroll every opponent and confidently take the cup. It's not like Max doesn't do this on purpose.

It still can be done if all the stars are aligned for you (perfect draws throughout the entire tournament, unlucky big opponents (injuries, tons of wasted chances, etc.), etc.), but it doesn't depend that much on the manager if your squad is not good enough.

Everyone's so fond of Ajax these days, it seems like people already forgot that after the first leg against RM everyone wrote them off (even that idiot Ramos). Yes, they showed great football, but the main reason for their success in that encounter was the awful state RM were in. They had the luck Max usually refers to.

They played against awful Bayern, awful Real Madrid, awful Juventus, and even TH was playing without Kane and Son. Yes, they play good football, kudos to them. But they have also enjoyed an enormous amount of luck so far.

 

[rakib567]

he confirmed he is staying

 

[juve123]

What question? "What does it mean to have a team good enough for CL domination?" I explained what I meant, with a special emphasis on the obvious fact that Juventus don't have top midfield.

As for Ajax, any club have a chance of winning the trophy, including Juventus. That's why there's hope at the beginning of every season. But Juventus don't have the squad to steamroll every opponent and confidently take the cup. It's not like Max doesn't do this on purpose.

It still can be done if all the stars are aligned for you (perfect draws throughout the entire tournament, unlucky big opponents (injuries, tons of wasted chances, etc.), etc.), but it doesn't depend that much on the manager if your squad is not good enough.

Everyone's so fond of Ajax these days, it seems like people already forgot that after the first leg against RM everyone wrote them off (even that idiot Ramos). Yes, they showed great football, but the main reason of their success in that encounter was the awful state RM were in. They had the luck Max usually refers to.

They played against awful Bayern, awful Real Madrid, awful Juventus, and even TH was playing without Kane and Son. Yes, they play good football, kudos to them. But they have also enjoyed an enormous amount of luck so far.

And they will play awful Barcelona in the final

 

[DS8_Montero]

And they will play awful Barcelona in the final

I won't be surprised to see Ajax humiliated by Barcelona in the final, since it will be the first top opponent they face which isn't in the deep crisis.

 

[juve123]

I won't be surprised to see Ajax humiliated by Barcelona in the final, since it will be the first top opponent they face which isn't in the deep crisis.

If somehow they can stop Messi I think they can defeat Barcelona and moreover it is one off game

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Do people think that all we need is one or two new midfielders and all will be well?

Lol no.
Problem lies far deeper than fixing the midfield when we lack identity. Are we a defensive team? An offensive one? I don't even know anymore we are so bad with our play and it's been regressing the last 2 or 3 seasons. Our results depend solely on individual brilliance right now it's actually criminal how our offensive players are mis-used, dybala looks lost, cancelo has been off the boil, Alex sandro - meh, Costa- inconsistent too etc...

 

[DS8_Montero]

If somehow they can stop Messi I think they can defeat Barcelona and moreover it is one off game

Idk, their path so far reminds me a lot of Juventus' road to Cardiff. Porto with 2 ridiculous red cards in 1/8, awful Barcelona in 1/4 (that shouldn't have been there at all), inexperienced Monaco in 1/2. That road looked way too comfy, it was really worrying for me that the team didn't have a chance to test their true strength before the final. And then there was a huge humiliation in the final, and, as it seems, one of the reasons for it was that false confidence the team got after all the previous stages.